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    Long crank and poor throttle response issue, stalling when dropping to idle

    First off, disregard the screen name, made this account forever ago to buy and sell wheels but now have an e30 and no hondas haha

    1984 325e swapped with m20b25 and motronic 1.3 from a 1989 525i

    I'm a mechanic and have access to a shop but I cannot for the life of me figure out this problem. I've had the car for about 3 years, and it has always had trouble starting. 6-7 seconds on the starter, a little throttle and it will finally fire. It starts every time, but 19 out of 20 times it takes forever. Stumbles when it finally fires up and smells rich. 1 out of the same 20 times it'll start like a normal car. I've had lots of theories as to why that would be, but it's too inconsistent.

    The car also has really poor throttle response. If you stab into it, it hesitates for a second or so before revving. Several stabs in a row result in a stumbly idle and eventually a rev.

    I have a smoke machine and have fixed every vacuum leak with no change in the above symptoms. I also replaced the throttle switch and clocked it correctly. Swapped for a known good IACV and AFM, no change. The ignition system is newer, lots of tune up parts, it has done this with different DMEs as well.

    I recently got an e46 touring as a daily and have been leaving the e30 parked in the shop. I pull it out in the morning and put it back in the shop overnight. It runs for about a minute for each trip. If the car sits and runs for short periods, it will start up within the first second of cranking every time. Still has the poor throttle response, but starts right up. Makes me think fuel delivery but the tank, pump, and filter have all been replaced and they made no change.

    I drove it home for the first time in a few weeks and it is now struggling to idle when I depress the clutch to come to a stop or when it returns to idle after throttle input. It will dive to 200 rpm, sometimes recovering and sometimes stalling out.

    My only ideas are something in the wiring related to the swap, or some lingering eta parts that aren't agreeing with the newer DME. (I bought the car half completed when the PO lost interest, not 100% sure of what all is original vs swapped)

    I know that's a lot, and its a long shot question, but I figured I'd give it a shot in case anyone had resolved any similar issues.

    #2
    how good are the fuel injectors & FPR
    89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

    new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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      #3
      Originally posted by digger View Post
      how good are the fuel injectors & FPR
      haven't really checked either one. I know all the injectors operate, but I guess they could be leaking down?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Hondamonster View Post
        haven't really checked either one. I know all the injectors operate, but I guess they could be leaking down?
        yes, plus uneven flow. same with regulator it could not be regulating properly and also cause a leakdown such that the engine needs to crank alot to get the pressure back up.

        a fuel pressure gauge is a good thing to have on it to see whats going on if you dont have a spare one that is known to be good to swap in
        Last edited by digger; 01-17-2017, 10:16 PM.
        89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

        new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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          #5
          Have you replaced the Dme relay/ fuel pump relay.
          I had bad Dme relay, would cause the car to shut off while driving. Cause long cranks

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            #6
            A bad coolant temp sensor will also cause some of the bsymptons you're describing. If the DME thinks it's -40 degrees outside it will dump too much fuel.

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              #7
              Originally posted by efficient View Post
              Have you replaced the Dme relay/ fuel pump relay.
              I had bad Dme relay, would cause the car to shut off while driving. Cause long cranks
              have tested both and switched them for others that also tested good
              Originally posted by Ding250SX View Post
              A bad coolant temp sensor will also cause some of the bsymptons you're describing. If the DME thinks it's -40 degrees outside it will dump too much fuel.
              replaced it twice, good call though

              going to do a fuel pressure test and check the injectors for flow. Turns out we have one of those test things with the graduated cylinders to see the flow rate at the shop.

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                #8
                Check to see if they leak to as well as spray pattern and flow
                89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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