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  • Blip Bavarian
    Wrencher
    • May 2009
    • 236

    #1

    Trailing arm bushings???

    Im looking for opinions/reviews of the acentric adjustable trailing arm bushings. Im looking at getting the AKG set, but they are pretty pricey.


    What are you guys running?

    How is the adjustability? How much camber can you dial in with them?

    Thanks,
    -Matt
    My LS1 swap thread:
    http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=160030
  • Massive Lee
    R3V OG
    • Sep 2006
    • 6782

    #2
    Hi Matt.

    I have AKG's eccentric bushings. They just are as good/bad as any other adjustable eccentric bushing. They are a waste of time and money. I strongly suggest the slotted adjusters. They cost slightly less, are as difficult to install, but at least they work much better and allow independent adjustment of camber vs toe.

    You might want to consider solid subframe mounts that raise the subframe, automatically removing some of the unwanted camber caused by lowering the car. As you'll run a V8, I guess you also want to keep the subframe from moving around. I know, it is another expense, and more work, but I guess it comes with the V8 ownership ;-)

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    • jlevie
      R3V OG
      • Nov 2006
      • 13530

      #3
      You can get about a degree of camber or toe with eccentric bushings. But they are a royal pain to align and you are fiddling with both bushings for each adjustment. Unless the tech gets real lucky, figure on 4-6 hours of labor to set the rear alignment. And they tend to work out of adjustment.

      A much better solution is the weld in adjustable RTAB's. They provide essentially independent adjustment of cam and toe and don't tend to drift out of adjustment.
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      • Blip Bavarian
        Wrencher
        • May 2009
        • 236

        #4
        Originally posted by Massive Lee
        Hi Matt.

        I have AKG's eccentric bushings. They just are as good/bad as any other adjustable eccentric bushing. They are a waste of time and money. I strongly suggest the slotted adjusters. They cost slightly less, are as difficult to install, but at least they work much better and allow independent adjustment of camber vs toe.

        You might want to consider solid subframe mounts that raise the subframe, automatically removing some of the unwanted camber caused by lowering the car. As you'll run a V8, I guess you also want to keep the subframe from moving around. I know, it is another expense, and more work, but I guess it comes with the V8 ownership ;-)
        Do you have any more info on the slotted adjusters you mentioned. I am not familiar with them? who makes them? link?

        I just bought and installed some powerflex subfarme mounts. I am gonna try em for now, and may go with your solid mounts down the road.
        My LS1 swap thread:
        http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=160030

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        • whiltebeitel
          R3VLimited
          • Apr 2007
          • 2098

          #5
          One the Spec E30 forums, there are complaints that thses will go out of alignment fairly quickly. They seem to prefer the weld-in kits.

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          • rThor432
            No R3VLimiter
            • Feb 2007
            • 3907

            #6
            As mentioned, weld-in adjustment kits are the way to go. Korman and IE carry them. Basically the "kit" consists of E39 eccentric adjustment bolts, washers, and nuts with slotted machined plates that will be welded in place where the trailing arm mounts.

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            • funcrew
              E30 Fanatic
              • Jun 2007
              • 1223

              #7
              I'm NOT recommending the eccentric bushings, but Pelican Parts sells Febi eccentric bushings for $33 a side. I agree with the previous replies that weld-in is the way to go. The weld-in ones are illegal in SCCA STX class, unfortunately for me.
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              • blueapplesoda
                E30 Mastermind
                • Dec 2005
                • 1904

                #8
                i have a akg poly eccentric rtabs

                it is a royal pita to adjust

                it squeeks like hell

                they come out of adjustment over long periods of time

                car woke up in handling...rear end was just that much more in tune with the rest of the car.

                i have mixed feelings about them, and would not put them back in if i had to do it again.

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                • Blip Bavarian
                  Wrencher
                  • May 2009
                  • 236

                  #9
                  Thanks for all the advice guys. Looks like i will be going with a weld in setup.

                  For those of you who have a weld in setup, did you do then work yourself? and how difficult was it. Im not worried about the notching or welding, i just dont want to screw up the geometry. Thanks.
                  My LS1 swap thread:
                  http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=160030

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                  • evil_twin
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                    • Nov 2007
                    • 2965

                    #10
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                    • Massive Lee
                      R3V OG
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 6782

                      #11
                      When I purchased and fitted the eccentric bushings, I thought I would save time and money (even doing it myself). Fukk that. That was a waste of my time and dough. If I had known, I would have fitted sliders. Which I am going to do this Spring and dump the eccentric bushings. Not worth it.
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                      • Blip Bavarian
                        Wrencher
                        • May 2009
                        • 236

                        #12
                        which bushings are you guys running with the weld on kits? Does any standard non eccentric bushing work? Thanks for the help.
                        My LS1 swap thread:
                        http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=160030

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                        • rThor432
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 3907

                          #13
                          I did the weld-in setup myself. It was very simple and straight-foward. Just blast/grind the paint off the spots that will be welded, create a good clean ground spot, bolt the plates in where you want them to stay, and do run a few beads. Takes less than an hour.

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                          • Aptyp
                            R3V OG
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 6584

                            #14
                            you're good.... takes me over an hour grinding slots.

                            Also, IE and many other aren't the same as Korman (McReynolds) kits. Korman allows for a more adjustment and uses custom made bolts, not e39 ones. But if I was to do this again, I'd go ahead and get IE kits, as you simply don't need that much adjustment.

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                            • rThor432
                              No R3VLimiter
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 3907

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Aptyp
                              you're good.... takes me over an hour grinding slots.

                              Also, IE and many other aren't the same as Korman (McReynolds) kits. Korman allows for a more adjustment and uses custom made bolts, not e39 ones. But if I was to do this again, I'd go ahead and get IE kits, as you simply don't need that much adjustment.
                              My 90 degree dremel opens the slots up quickly. The inboard slots by the diff are the hardest. Those two alone took as long as the rest of them combined.

                              I thought about using Korman's kit, but I agree with your thought that it is an unnecessary amount of adjustment. The E39 bolts will easily set your toe right and can cancel out excessive negative camber no problem, even on a slammed car if they are set up right.

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