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    Let's talk Mercedes Differentials (in BMW's?)

    Maybe the guys that have 190 cossies could chime in.
    I have been looking for a god LSD for my e30 and not doing too well finding one.
    A couple days ago I was talking to a friend about my Mercedes C280 (w202), which has this awesome thing called ASD. Back before I bought the e30, when I wanted to rebuild the Mercedes into a track car, differential modification was one of only a few possibilities. Aftermarket parts are scarce. True LSD's were only put into a few cars.

    ASD is an Automatic (Limited) Slip Differential. When the system is off, they are said to have anywhere between 15-35% limit, depending on how old it is and probably engine dependant. Later cars also had ASR, but let's not get into that.
    When a wheel slips on ice for example, the ABS sensors sends a signal to the ECU, which then activates a solenoid pressurising the differential. Cylinders inside press on clutches (note: wayd old ASD's probably only had one clutch). How it decides how much pressure should be sent, I don't know, probably spin speed difference, overall car speed etc. but this system is said to provide up to 100% hydraulically driven lock.
    The bad thing about ASD is that is takes a couple seconds, then you feel a kick, and get out of whatever situation you're in. The lag is useless for any race-ish application. Also the system is supposed to work only up to 30mph. It is a very complicated system and swaping into a non-ASD car is said to be almost impossible.

    But the most awesome thing about the ASD is that it can be made into a standalone hydraulic differential. Basically, you take a small master brake (from a gokart I read somewhere), put a lever pump in the interior, a solenoid connected to an inside buttom for pressure release (no lock - prolongs the life of various parts) and a ball check valve along the lines to hold the pressure you've pumped. Ie. 4 lever pumps = 100% lock, 2 pumps = approx. 50%. You set it for your needs and leave it until you don't need LSD anymore, press the pressure release button and go home.
    Yes, like Reebok Pumps.

    The sad part is that most of the diff ratios are under 3.0.

    So do you guys think this is something worth looking into, somehow fabing it into gods chariot?
    I can't really imagine a better differential lock-wise for the price. You should be able to get a good ASD for a couple hundred and there was plenty of them in tthe 90's cars.




    #2
    BMW>Mercedes

    It can't be that hard to find a E30 LSD diff.

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      #3
      I'd bet you could get an e30 diff in and working before you can get that in and working.

      The idea sounds nice, but how necessary?
      Originally posted by z31maniac
      I just hate everyone.

      No need for discretion.

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        #4
        buy a cheap LSD out of the states, have them pull it apart, throw it in 2 boxes. you will still be under 300 euros, and you can even get a 4,10 large housing-non existent in the E.U.

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          #5
          Yeah, but what limit are most BMW LSD's? 25% new? What about used ones?
          Not necessary, just a very interesting option.

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            #6
            The most likely place to find an MB ASD is a 4matic 300e or te with a 3.29 ratio. Making work in an E30... good luck with that.

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              #7
              You don't use any of the electronics. It's basically like adding a brake bias lever.

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                #8
                you can modify the lockup of e30 diffs with cramming more clutches in it.

                honestly I'm not sure why you'd waste your time. Might as well just get a nice aftermarket 2way LSD
                Last edited by Jaxx_; 11-30-2011, 11:24 AM. Reason: clarification
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                  #9
                  Find a viscous LSD out of an iX. Sounds exactly like what you're looking for.
                  Originally posted by Gruelius
                  and i do not know what bugg brakes are.

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                    #10
                    Incidentally I found a 3.91 ix a couple days ago. If all goes well, that's what I'll buy.
                    I just like the idea of controlling the LSD depending on conditions. If "making it work" was such a hurdle, we wouldn't have 24V swaps. It really isn't as complcated as it sounds. The ratio is a problem though. Seems there's a 3.67, still to long for me though, but it would work.

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                      #11
                      Just buy an aftermarket one. Way easier and you already know how they perform.
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                        #12
                        I like the idea man, I would love to attempt this if I had a spare E30 lying around. Fuck the rest of the waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles here.

                        There are 2 kinds of people in this world Do'ers people who are not afraid to try shit out, they know the meaning you learn from your mistakes. These guys are the one's that make S5x swaps possable.

                        Then there are the followers who are lazy and scared by a challenge and will tell you every think is a waste of time unless they have seen a good write up of it, basically big fat hairy pussies, and apparently that is what mosy of R3V is.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by KenC View Post
                          Find a viscous LSD out of an iX. Sounds exactly like what you're looking for.
                          beat me to it.
                          AWD > RWD

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                            #14
                            Having a 100% lock on demand without having to weld it seems awesome to me. It's like swapping a different differential whenever you want.
                            Just imagine how fun winter would be with this.

                            Can any drifters chime in?

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                              #15
                              Fuck it. Buy a detroit locker. If youre going to go through the hassle of custom engineering everything, dont go with a used old crappy unit.
                              Ma che cazzo state dicendo? :|

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