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    Early Starter (Two Threaded Posts/One Male Spade Connector) on Late Model Harness

    Late Model Harness has FOUR wires going to the Starter Motor.

    - One THICK Red wire that comes from the Engine Harness.
    - One THICK Black wire that comes from the Battery Positive from the Power Junction off the firewall.
    - Two SMALL black wires.
    - One is BLACK/YELLOW Stripe (Signal Wire)
    - One is BLACK/Green Stripe (Unloader Relay)

    Early Model Starter Motor has TWO THREADED POSTS and ONE MALE SPADE CONNECTOR.

    - Threaded Post closest to Engine (Has ground strap connected to it that goes to the body of the starter.)
    - GROUND!
    - Threaded Post furthest from the Engine. (To the RIGHT of the starter Motor if you're looking at it from the front of the car.)
    - POSITIVE!
    - Thick RED wire from Engine Harness, and Thick BLACK wire from Battery/Power Junction both get bolted down here.
    **Here's where things get funky.
    - Male Spade Connector
    - START SIGNAL!
    - The Late Model Harness has this wire fitted with an Eyelet as opposed to a FEMALE Spade Connector... This clearly won't work. My research shows that you need to Crimp/Splice a FEMALE SPADE CONNECTOR to this wire (BLACK/YELLOW STRIPE) for the Starter Motor to recieve the START SIGNAL from your Ignition Switch.
    - Easy Enough, right? No.

    BLACK/GREEN STRIPE Wire (Unloader Relay)
    - What do I do with this thing? This wire activates the UNLOADER RELAY. What it does is DISABLES accessories such as Windows, Power Locks, Radio, Sunroof, ETC. and give ALL available power to the Starting Process.

    - A few "solutions" i've read.
    - Just ground the wire to the Chassis. What this is supposed to do is make it so your Windows, Power Locks, Sunroof, Radio, ETC. work EVEN WHILE you are cranking the car over. Pretty much bypasses the UNLOADER RELAY. (This is most likely what I plan on doing!)
    - Splice the BLACK/GREEN STRIPE wire into the same SPADE CONNECTOR as the BLACK/YELLOW STRIPE wire. Not sure what this accomplishes but not knowing is killing me.
    - Leave it DISCONNECTED. I've read from PEERLESS that no matter what, you CANNOT hook this wire up to the Early Starter. The best thing you can do is cap it off, set it aside, and understand that WHILE YOU'RE CRANKING YOUR ENGINE OVER, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ROLL WINDOWS DOWN, ROLL SUNROOF BACK, LISTEN TO THE STEREO, ETC. Nothing wrong with that by any means.

    Curious to see who's dealt with this, what people have done to remedy the situation, etc. Looking for first hand experience so we can compile this info into ONE PLACE. Sorry for the novel. My hope is that in the future this thread will help someone deal with a problem that should have a simple answer.
    Thank you for your time,
    Paolo
    clutchCTRL!
    Move with a purpose.
    - 1991 325iX 4dr/5spd
    - 1976 2002 SlickTop/2.7i M20/G260
    - 2000 323i AT
    2016 Mazda CX3 Sport AWD

    #2
    The only possible solution (if you want the windows, mirrors, etc) to work is to ground the black/green wire.
    Last edited by jlevie; 06-13-2013, 06:06 PM.
    The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
    Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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      #3
      I'm confused. Do what with the Black/Green wire? Ground it?
      clutchCTRL!
      Move with a purpose.
      - 1991 325iX 4dr/5spd
      - 1976 2002 SlickTop/2.7i M20/G260
      - 2000 323i AT
      2016 Mazda CX3 Sport AWD

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        #4
        Or simply change the solenoid out for the correct one but that's too obvious. Why not try grounding it? And report back? Sounds simple enough.
        "I'd probably take the E30 M3 in this case just because I love that little car, and how tanky that inline 6 is." - thecj

        85 323i M TECH 1 S52 - ALPINEWEISS/SCHWARZE
        88 M3 - LACHSSILBER/SCHWARZE
        89 M3 - ALPINEWEISS II/M TECH CLOTH-ALCANTARA
        91 M TECHNIC CABRIO TURBO - MACAOBLAU/M TECH CLOTH-LEATHER

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          #5
          i have a e starter on a i motor with a 87is wire harness but i have not yet started my car so idk if it works. on the 87 harness i had a connector that you bolt on so i cut it off and put a female connector on the bottom of the starter. fits nice and snug and hope when its time to start my car it turns on.

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