MarkD chip

[AdironRider]

I think the old saying "you get what you pay for" holds true for just about any purchase you can make for your car.

[O 16581 72452 5]

Not true, i've cheaped out on many non crucial parts such as intercooler piping, intercooler, exhaust manifolds, exhaust headers and never had a single problem and saved hundreds over the cheapest name brand competitor.

Hell, i even cheaped out on pistons and ran 30-35psi on them on a boost spike and leaned it the fuck out! I read before i buy however, when i buy a cheap product, i throughly research it before i buy to make sure it won't fail on me, and 9 times out of 10, that cheap product is just fine.

A copied chip is a little iffy because you never really know what you're getting and obviously the people you're buying from are copying someone else's work, so they really have no respect for others. They can claim a Mark D chip and it simply be junk that'll throw a CEL and not run the car right.

But for $50, i'm willing to take the risk, i'm going to read around as much as possible first though, much better than $250 and that's where i'm coming from, if his price were $100-$150, i could see spending it and i'm sure many others would shy away from copies and buy the real thing. Sure he'll have to sell twice as many to make the same profit/income, but once that master copy is made, it's about $5 per copy. I think he could easily sell twice as many with a price drop.

That's where i'm coming from atleast.

[fporro]

$ 100- $ 150 is less than $ 250, we hear ya !

but then again, apples and oranges here,
i have a set of real bbs side skirts that won't let go of for less that $ 350,
why ? when there's all sorts of fiberglass copy's on ebay for $ 225 ?
'cus $ 250 won't even paid for freight of comparable quality item.

I don't know, items are worth what the market will bear.
Mark D has put time and effort developing his chips,
hence, he should reap the benefits., not some quack.

Too bad that he can't do what the s50 swap program does. lock-out non payers.,
that's not hurting the community, but actually helping it by enticing others to develop new products.

think SuperSprint is happy about having their long tube headers cloned after they spent time and money on R&D ? sheets mangs ! think not.

you'll be amaze as how easy is to order a 5 lug hub to fit 4 lug e30's, but then again, what for? who would go through the trouble to order the parts combo, fit it, test it, advertise it, create a buzz, for a "oh, so i can do that too" effect ? think not.

no money = no honey

[O 16581 72452 5]

BBS Sideskirts are a rare item and i believe no longer in production. Fiberglass copies don't compare to moulded plastic. Besides, i understand sideskirts being expensive, moulding, the cost of materials, expensive freight. I made a fiberglass front bumper, the cost was $75-$100 per copy and was really poor quality i might add. :P

Chips cost $5 and a chip is a chip, if you don't believe me, check out moates.net or any other similar place selling PROM chips. Shipping can be done in a small envelope and not cost much more than $1. All he's doing is the same thing the guy on eBay is doing, writing a program to a chip, he does have the research and design though, but he's still making huge profits selling for that price, the guy on eBay is also making big profits selling for $35-$50 or he wouldn't be doing it. The only reason to buy from him is the moral issue and the trust of buying a legit copy that'll work, the guys on eBay obviously have no moral issue and i'd have trouble trusting they'd sell me what i ask for.

Writing a chip is easier than burning a CD, quicker too, basically in my eyes, this guy's band made a CD and is selling copies for $250, a little far fetched, but it's the closest thing i could think of to compare since i have experience with both.

[AdironRider]

So your basically saying your a douche that condones buying stolen work, not to mention from a guy whos done way more for the e30 community than you ever will? Wow, I knew you were wierd, but now you just suck.

[O 16581 72452 5]

So your basically saying your a douche that condones buying stolen work, not to mention from a guy whos done way more for the e30 community than you ever will? Wow, I knew you were wierd, but now you just suck.

Condones? Condones means i go against and i'm all about buying stolen overpriced work, that's why the majority of people download MP3s and steal copies of Windows. ;)

If the work is that good, people will buy it and some people are buying it for the outrageous price, i for one won't and i'm not the only one that feels this way about it, i'm just the only one to speak up. I've discussed the chips and copies of them with people on AIM, some people on this forum, i won't say their names.

I'm still awaiting Mark's reply in defense of his chip's price...

If he can provide any reason as to why he charges what he does for his chip, i might be respectful and buy one.

[bimmer2288]

TMS chip: $249.95 & $199.00
http://http://www.turnermotorsport.c...0&subcat_id=74
Bavarian Autosport: $249.95
http://http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp 1988 BMW 325i
Racing Dynamics: $249.00
http://http://www.sfxperformance.com...2009010101.htm
Dinan: $199.00
http://http://www.dinancars.com/Seri...=14&Chassis=12

MarkD: $229.00 previously $189.00
http://http://www.dsylva-tech.ca/

So as you can clearly see - Mark is not selling a product that is more expensive than the other options out there. At one point, his chip was cheaper than the other alternatives and that's when you should have bought yours. There was a group buy that happened a while ago - too bad you missed it. Now you see proof of your error in assuming that he's taking advantage of the BMW community. If you cannot afford a chip then don't buy one. If it never occurred to you that buying and selling stolen or copied products is morally wrong, then learn it now. Now this is a product review forum, not a bash session. Take it to General Discussion or OT.

[O 16581 72452 5]

TMS chip: $249.95 & $199.00
http://http://www.turnermotorsport.c...0&subcat_id=74
Bavarian Autosport: $249.95
http://http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp 1988 BMW 325i
Racing Dynamics: $249.00
http://http://www.sfxperformance.com...2009010101.htm
Dinan: $199.00
http://http://www.dinancars.com/Seri...=14&Chassis=12

MarkD: $229.00 previously $189.00
http://http://www.dsylva-tech.ca/

So as you can clearly see - Mark is not selling a product that is more expensive than the other options out there. At one point, his chip was cheaper than the other alternatives and that's when you should have bought yours. There was a group buy that happened a while ago - too bad you missed it. Now you see proof of your error in assuming that he's taking advantage of the BMW community. If you cannot afford a chip then don't buy one. If it never occurred to you that buying and selling stolen or copied products is morally wrong, then learn it now. Now this is a product review forum, not a bash session. Take it to General Discussion or OT.

$189 is starting to get more like it, but still too high.

There's no topic like this in GD or OT. :P

If it never occurred to you that buying and selling stolen or copied products is morally wrong, then learn it now.

Haha.

It occured to me, but i didn't care when i saw the pricetag of his chip (and all the other ones)...it's either that or a used one, i don't personally see much difference, the money doesn't get to him either way.

I'm done debating it though.

[808BMW]

He's put the time and effort to make his own chip, and he puts his name behind it and backs his work, that's why it's priced (reasonably with the competition)

If you buy a chip on ebay and you blow your motor, the seller won't give a rats ass. You'll probably never get in touch with him, and you'll be left with a broken car.


I don't know about you, but I rebuilt my motor at 15 before I even had my license. I've put way too much time and effort into my car, to risk blowing it to save $150. If you choose to risk it, go ahead. Lots of people have had good results, whether it be placebo or not, and I don't hear of too many blown motors but its your choice.

[Fidhle007]

I know I've asked this before, but just to clarify: Is there a seperate chip for a 19lb injector/m30AFM setup, or is it the same as the 19lb injector one listed on Mark's site? I've already ordered the injectors and I have access to an AFM too, I'm just wondering I need a different chip...


Mods: Can you do a little housekeeping on this thread please? Also, how about banning this panty-wearing, cum-guzzling, cheap-ass goat-fucker? If he can't afford a chip, he shouldn't buy it but the I fail to see who the "we" he kept refering is to when he kept saying "we'dbe more likely to buy..." I really hate stupid people who won't shut up.

Rant over, you guys have may delete this section of my post...

[mjg23bmw]

Dead thread but I had to add this...

I know what goes in to making a chip, i've written them for Hondas and studied them. I don't know what he's using to write the program for the chips, but there's programs like Crome and Uberdata that guys make and give out for free.

Anyway, once the program is written, spend say $300 on dyno time to give a good tune to an M20 engine which maybe he has, or maybe he asked a friend to let him borrow it, $40-$100 on a chip burner depending how well it looks ($40 is for the kind with no casing), $5 a piece or so for an PROM chip and let's just assume he already has a laptop or if he bought one to do chips, let's assume he uses it for more than just making chips, therefore not part of the money in to the chip.

Total invested: $400 and $5 per new chip.

Profit is after two chips were sold.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

When a chip is $250 and a clone is $50, i rather just buy the clone and risk it being a JC or Dinan copy and like i said, for maybe $100-$125 shipped, i'd gladly give the guy money for the thing to know it's legit and will do what those dyno graphs show.

Obviously the people are making profit copying the chips and that's all Mark has to do now that he has the program written, if they're making profit from $50 shipped, Mark would be making more profit than them for $125 shipped.

Hell, maybe just have a month long special for that price to see what happens, i'd certainly buy one insted of a used or cloned one because that's the only way i'd buy one of these chips.

This thread is dead but still needs to be cleaned up. I found this thread very useful in researching which chip to get; it just took twice as long to go thru all the that the :loco: dude wrote. All I kept seeing was Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah......Basically it comes down to this: If Mark D lowers the price of his chip then so would the people/companies that make fake chips. So STFU and stop cluttering up useful information. Mark's chip is priced correctly according to the market IHMO. Now on with my research: need to find out where to buy an AUTHENTIC Mark D chip. Would Mr. Mark D, care to tell me how to do so?

[Mystikal]

https://www.dsylva-tech.ca

Jay

[mjg23bmw]

tried that before and it didn't work for some reason. it does now. something might have been wrong with my computer or something

[MarkD]

$189 is starting to get more like it, but still too high.

There's no topic like this in GD or OT. :P



Haha.

It occured to me, but i didn't care when i saw the pricetag of his chip (and all the other ones)...it's either that or a used one, i don't personally see much difference, the money doesn't get to him either way.

I'm done debating it though.

Hey dickweed, if BMW chips are so easy to make and you already know how to tune motors, why don't you develop one? I'm sure that for $300 and 1 day's work you'll have a chip that's better than mine!

You and people like you are the reason that I won't be developing many new products for BMW's. The price of my chips is more than reasonable, but yet you are such a cheap b@stard that you have been continuously saying my products are overpriced. Who else has a working MAF conversion for the M20? I have one for the M20b32 (Metric Mechanic motor) and can complete the one for the m20b25 in a few weeks, but I won't release it till my copy protection is also ready because of people like you.


MarkD

[MarkD]

Chips cost $5 and a chip is a chip, if you don't believe me, check out moates.net or any other similar place selling PROM chips. Shipping can be done in a small envelope and not cost much more than $1.

When is the last time you checked what it cost to ship by USPS Priority Post with a tracking number?

All he's doing is the same thing the guy on eBay is doing, writing a program to a chip, he does have the research and design though, but he's still making huge profits selling for that price, the guy on eBay is also making big profits selling for $35-$50 or he wouldn't be doing it.

Does the eBay guy spend thousands on equipment and countless hours on dis-assembly, research and development? Did you consider that is why the eBay seller can sell for $50 ?

Writing a chip is easier than burning a CD, quicker too, basically in my eyes, this guy's band made a CD and is selling copies for $250, a little far fetched, but it's the closest thing i could think of to compare since i have experience with both.

Well get going on making BMW chips then! Seriously, I wonder if you realise that people have to make a living doing whatever they do. Do you work for a charity for free? Get your head out of your @ss. The world does not work on 5% profit margins and copying other people's work. (unless you are in China)

And that's all I have to say to you. I didn't respond for many months as for some reason I couldn't log in since March 3 but now that's fixed.

MarkD