cagedbunny

[Colorlesss]

bought a set of 16" RS's.

3 of the wheels had stainless bolts and lips, one if the rims had chromed bolts and an aluminum lip. none of the above was mentioned through any PM's or his listing.

wouldnt buy again.

[cagedbunny]

Wow. Do I need to post up the PM's between you and I? You even said it yourself; there was no way of knowing the condition of the bolts without removing them, nor that there was a replaced lip on the wheel until the finish was stripped.

You bought a set of inexpensive 16" RS's that were fully assembled with tires on them. Was I supposed to disassemble the wheels and strip them before selling?

I gave you all the information I knew about the wheels and their condition, and you were pleased until you dug deep into them. Sorry, but there's no way I could have known.

I don't have 100% perfect feedback on Ebay and VWVortex by being a shitty seller. Obviously, you can't please everyone, but really.. rediculous.

[White325is]

post pics of said wheels. :)

[cagedbunny]

[Aptyp]

what was the price? and hell, if you don't like them send them back, I may know a local interested. ;)



Post PMs...

[Colorlesss]

tires were completely unusable. which was clearly stated through PM's so not an issue.

who can spy the aluminum amongst the 3 stainless lips ? this picture is from day 1 when i got them. not cleaned or anything. i removed the center caps which were useless. but i knew caps were destroyed as was clearly stated through PM's



after some cleaning and polishing



the SS lips are awsome once cleaned .. if there were only 4.


i didnt pay much attention to it then as i was just happy to get a set os RS's. but having to deal with it now and looking back on how shitty it was .i felt i needed to leave proper feedback.

you can post the PM's if you want. dont forget the one where you said you and a couple people looked over the rims and didnt notice anything. first pic shows how different they reflect and the quality that is not the same at all.

[cagedbunny]

Here are the PM's sent after the transaction.


"3 stock lips, 1 aftermarket aluminum lip. they dont match at all. curb rash is bad on all 4.

all 4 center caps are useless as im sure you knew.(dont really care about that)

one wheel the bolts were rusted all through on the reverse side. the other 3 wheels the bolts were painted and i had to chip all the paiont off to tale them apart and underneath they are in bad shape.

center nuts are also painted and ill have to fully refinish them.

faces and barrels are good.

these wheels are far from bieng worth $900 considering you can buy a fully refinished set of rs211's on ebay for around 1600 and on the forums these rims go for around $900 not needing so much stuff replaced. "


Originally Posted by cagedbunny
Wow, that's not exactly what I was expecting to hear. How can you tell one of the lips is aftermarket? I had 2 other people look the wheels over, and none of us noticed a different lip.

I mentioned the curb rash in the FS thread; none of the rash is serious or deep, and it should not be an issue to gently grind it down.

All 4 center caps were in good shape. Do you mean the emblems? I told you via PM that the emblems were faded out, which you can also see in the picture. I did not notice that the caps had been painted; that I apologize for.

As you could see, I never did clean the wheels. All I did was insure there were no cracks/welds/bends, check for damage, and then list them for sale when I found my RM's. I had no way of knowing there was paint on the nuts, or that the bolts were rusty where you couldn't see them. If I had taken the wheels apart and cleaned/re-sealed them, the would have been $1500 RS's; not $900 RS's.

They're straight, have never been cracked/welded on, and the lips are more than salvageable. After shipping, I effectively sold them to you for $720, which I still believe is more than fair. Polish the lips and center nuts, replace the BBS emblems, and you have an unusually clean set or RS211's.



"im not worried about the emblems, you did tell me they were bad which is why i dont care about them. the center capas themselves are painted and one of them the threads are sawed in half and the slip ring isnt there.

as they were, the differences were unnoticeable other then one wheel had bright silver bolts and the others had dark yellowed painted bolts. once taken apart the lips are very different. i polished the aluminum one first after i tremoved all the rash. then after doing the other 3 it became very clear one lip does not belong with this set at all. 3 of the lips are dark almost chrome shine. and the aluminum lip is much lighter and was much much easier to sand. as they are the lips are unusable, 3 lips match and one very noticeable odd ball. the rash i can deal with.

if you would have taken these apart im sure you would have been just as dissapointed as i am. when they arrived i was very happy and looking foreward to rebuilding them. now i have to source 3 more lips because nobody sells these almost steel lips, everywhere has aluminum. "





You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but the fact remains that there was no way of me knowing the issues with the wheels unless I disassembled them myself before. Now more than 5 months later, you have regret over having to infuse time and money into 15 year old wheels, and you leave me crappy feedback.

I was never dishonest over the condition of the wheels. You're right; two other people besides myself looked them over, and didn't notice the different lip, or the (internally) rusted bolts. I'm sorry they didn't turn out like you wanted them to; I would have been disappointed as well. But again, there was no way of knowing the condition unless they were taken apart.

[Colorlesss]

You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but the fact remains that there was no way of me knowing the issues with the wheels unless I disassembled them myself before. Now more than 5 months later, you have regret over having to infuse time and money into 15 year old wheels, and you leave me crappy feedback.

I was never dishonest over the condition of the wheels. You're right; two other people besides myself looked them over, and didn't notice the different lip, or the (internally) rusted bolts. I'm sorry they didn't turn out like you wanted them to; I would have been disappointed as well. But again, there was no way of knowing the condition unless they were taken apart.

look at the first picture and its very clear, and as said in my PM .. 3 of the wheels had different bolts which was clearly noticeable. so 3 people looked over the rims and none of ou noticed 1 wheel with at minimum the different bolts or the completely different shine of the aluminum lip ? are you all noobs or were you looking at them in the dark ? you said you knew alot about bbs and blah blah .. and you couldnt tell 3 stainless lips apart from an aluminum lip with chromed bolts?

if you want to argue about this you can. fact still remains of what you sold me. at a minimum other people should know you dont really look over what you sell, or if you do your just blind. andif you didnt notice i was PM'ing through another account, that account was never verafied so i could never leave feedback. this account is, so now i can, and have.

[Vethen]

Isnt it kinda also the buyer's job to check out what they're gonna buy b4 they do?

[Colorlesss]

Isnt it kinda also the buyer's job to check out what they're gonna buy b4 they do?

from across the country all i had to look at is the couple of pics he sent/ buyer should be able to trust the seller knows what they are selling.

[White325is]

Powder coat lips and centers satin black and run gold spiked bolts.
Whos ever gonna know when?

:)

[Colorlesss]

Powder coat lips and centers satin black and run gold spiked bolts.
Whos ever gonna know when?

:)

i never liked any painted lips ive seen, especially not black. i have no choice but to buy all new lips and bolts. center caps im going to make here in my shop.

[cagedbunny]

That's right. Three people looked at the wheels, and no one noticed the different lip or bolts. You didn't either until you took them apart. Sorry, I'm obviously not the BBS connoisseur you are.

Anyway; I've posted this here so anyone reading this thread can make their own opinion on the matter. It's fairly obvious that I didn't purposely try to screw you over. That's all I wanted to show. Good luck with the wheels.

[Colorlesss]

That's right. Three people looked at the wheels, and no one noticed the different lip or bolts. You didn't either until you took them apart. Sorry, I'm obviously not the BBS connoisseur you are.

Anyway; I've posted this here so anyone reading this thread can make their own opinion on the matter. It's fairly obvious that I didn't purposely try to screw you over. That's all I wanted to show. Good luck with the wheels.

look at that first picture. the SS lips reflect blue while the aluminum lip reflects white. 3 people looked over the wheels and didnt see it. did you all look at them in the dark ? i had just (supposedly)bought 4 matching wheels, why would i sit there and check to see if they were really 3 and 1. thats something the seller should know especially if him and 2 other people looked them over. as a buyer you dont buy a set of wheels then assume you got screwed and didnt recieve 4 of the same wheels.

anyone reading this can look at the first picture i posted and make a full assesment just from that. because that picture shows them in their raw form direct from you minus tires.

[slow e30]

you admitted it yourself.

you rushed into it, and YOU made a mistake and you feel like shit.

The seller isnt at fault here. he explained, you rushed, you crushed. end of story. stop complaining dude, go get a freaking lip if you want it to match so bad.