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  • Aatos
    Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 43

    #1

    Brake pedal dropping to floor

    I'm using a 944 booster and the brakes work fine. The issue is that when waiting on lights etc with foot on brake, after a while the pedal softens and drops closer to the floor. The brakes don't disappear though, you just need to push more.

    Has anyone had this problem? I'm suspecting some sort of leak in the booster diaphram but it would be great to get some input before I replace it.
  • whodwho
    E30 Mastermind
    • Jun 2008
    • 1547

    #2
    Shouldn't be related to your booster. If you are not loosing brake fluid then most likely fluid leaking past the piston seals in the master cylinder. It would sink if pressing lightly and would stay if pressing firmly?
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    • 325issguy
      Wrencher
      • Dec 2005
      • 261

      #3
      Sounds like you need to try to rebleed your brakes.

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      • Vince30
        R3VLimited
        • May 2009
        • 2318

        #4
        Originally posted by whodwho
        Shouldn't be related to your booster. If you are not loosing brake fluid then most likely fluid leaking past the piston seals in the master cylinder. It would sink if pressing lightly and would stay if pressing firmly?
        This is right on

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        • Gnarles
          Grease Monkey
          • Dec 2008
          • 342

          #5
          Yeah a bad booster would create a stiff brake pedal. Probably the brake master cylinder.

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          • jahnaboi
            E30 Mastermind
            • Oct 2006
            • 1742

            #6
            Air within the system. Bleed it properly. RR, LR, RF, LF order. Don't use a pressure bleeder as well. It doesn't generate as much pressure as the pedal does.

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            • whodwho
              E30 Mastermind
              • Jun 2008
              • 1547

              #7
              Air in the system would always have a low/soft pedal, his seems to have a full pedal but sinks as he holds pressure on it.
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              • brokenbimmer533
                Grease Monkey
                • Dec 2007
                • 317

                #8
                I had the same problem with my old car (non e30) and it turned out to be the master cylinder.
                As far as not using the pressure bleeder, I bleed my brakes with a pressure bleeder when I redid the whole system last fall and it worked great.

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                • Aatos
                  Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 43

                  #9
                  Originally posted by whodwho
                  Shouldn't be related to your booster. If you are not loosing brake fluid then most likely fluid leaking past the piston seals in the master cylinder. It would sink if pressing lightly and would stay if pressing firmly?
                  After thinking about it for a while I think you're right. Time to order a new master cylinder :(.

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                  • LivingLegend06
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 1604

                    #10
                    Originally posted by whodwho
                    Shouldn't be related to your booster. If you are not loosing brake fluid then most likely fluid leaking past the piston seals in the master cylinder. It would sink if pressing lightly and would stay if pressing firmly?
                    I had this exact problem. I replaced the master cylinder with a junkyard part and now the brakes are great.

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                    • graphikg
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 1614

                      #11
                      ^^^^^ Thats what I did too. Yay junk.

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                      • Lakis
                        Advanced Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 160

                        #12
                        SO...Where did all his brake fluid go? Into his booster?

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                        • gobuffs
                          E30 Addict
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 513

                          #13
                          Back to the brake reservoir.

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                          • whodwho
                            E30 Mastermind
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 1547

                            #14
                            As you press on the brake pedal it presses on the piston in the master cylinder, there are cups and seals on the piston that seal against the bore assisted a bit with the pressure. That's why when they start to fail they can still work under normal braking but slowly sink when you are lightly pressing on the brakes. When the seals start to fail they don't seal as well and brake fluid from in front of the piston/seal on the pressure side is allowed to seep back past the seals to the non pressure side.
                            Last edited by whodwho; 10-12-2010, 04:50 AM.
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                            • tonywonder
                              E30 Mastermind
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 1688

                              #15
                              yeah a bad brake master in my honda cracked one of my rotors. didnt realize the master was the cause until after i got new rotors and pads.

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