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  • Daveworkslocal
    Noobie
    • Jan 2011
    • 8

    #1

    E30 M50 swap issues

    Ok, recently my father and I acquired a 91 318is that was in the progress of getting an m50 swap. everything is there and hooked up and it just needs a few things.

    We are having some weird fueling issue however. We have no fuel pressure.

    We have traced the wires from the bus into the fuse box and and back to the relay but when the car cranks the fuel pump does not prime. When we bridge the relay, power to the fuel pump is restored. Simple relay problem right? But, then we replaced the relay with another one that has the same part number we still get nothing. There are two wires left that we need to trace and I'm not quite sure where they lead to. One is a small gauge green and brown and the other is a small gauge red and white. I see on the wiring diagram that the green and brown wire leads to the ECM as the fuel pump relay wire.
    The other one I'm not too sure about. Could it be possible that the green and brown wire is not pinned connected to the ECU and the relay is not getting signal?
    Or, is that bastard red and white wire to blame? If anyone knows where that goes to or has any helpful insight feel free to contact me or post up.
    Were in a bit of a hurry, the races are starting soon and we still need to get the car prepped for the track.


    Also,
    Ok, it seems like this guy had a mish mash of parts in this thing. Its an automatic e34 harness for the vanos m50tu (which we have on an engine stand), the 402 DME and a nv m50 from a 3series. I pulled all the wiring almost entirely out of the car and I've found a total of 5 unhooked and until yesterday, unidentified connectors.

    We have them all figured out I think

    2 knock sensors
    1 vanos solenoid connector
    1 cam position sensor (even it's already hooked up)

    (after much searching) I found out the vanos harness and the non vanos ecu pinouts being different, along with the differences in signals in the the MAF, the cam position sensor, and the crank position sensor. Which I think might lead to our no spark no fuel condition. right?

    The other possibility is an immobilizer wire. But I've heard thats for pre 88 cars. Ours is a 91, could this also be the problem?

    Thanks
    Dave
    Last edited by Daveworkslocal; 01-12-2011, 06:59 PM.
  • Daveworkslocal
    Noobie
    • Jan 2011
    • 8

    #2
    Anyone?

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    • richardb
      R3VLimited
      • Mar 2009
      • 2121

      #3
      I think you should use the non vanos harness with a 402 and a non vanos engine. The NV stuff is cheap to buy/ borderline worthless so I'd start there.

      The guy you bought it from maybe couldn't figure out the problem and unloaded it from how it sounds.

      Pick up a nv harness (the nv sensors are different as well IIRC). Start fresh with that harness and wire it yourself directly to the e30 harness connector. The m50 nv to 318is diagram on here worked for me. Use a NV maf as well.
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      • 328ijunkie
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        • May 2007
        • 3961

        #4
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        • Daveworkslocal
          Noobie
          • Jan 2011
          • 8

          #5
          Originally posted by richardb
          I think you should use the non vanos harness with a 402 and a non vanos engine. The NV stuff is cheap to buy/ borderline worthless so I'd start there.

          The guy you bought it from maybe couldn't figure out the problem and unloaded it from how it sounds.

          Pick up a nv harness (the nv sensors are different as well IIRC). Start fresh with that harness and wire it yourself directly to the e30 harness connector. The m50 nv to 318is diagram on here worked for me. Use a NV maf as well.
          Link to thread?

          New harness is on the way!

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          • richardb
            R3VLimited
            • Mar 2009
            • 2121

            #6
            Here is my thread. See post 28 on wiring. Diagram is a few posts above that. http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=146087
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            • e30s50dan
              R3VLimited
              • Nov 2008
              • 2076

              #7
              ^^^^ yes this.I may have a NV50 harness,PM me
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              • gregslow318i
                E30 Mastermind
                • Sep 2007
                • 1918

                #8
                I believe you problem is related to your engine harness.
                the dme sends a ground the signal to the fuel pump relay, hence the fuel pump is turned on by the dme.
                the dme will only ground the relay (turn fuel system on) once it sees a rpm signal (via crank sensor). (ie the fuel system does not prime once the key is turned on but only when the crank is turning)
                if you are using a m50nv motor you need a m50nv harness/dme/maf and other m50nv related sensors.
                no e30 had a ews or related system from the factory(stock form)
                looking for a e30m50 swap harness adapter pm me $150 shipped
                email nitroman12@gmail.com

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                • Daveworkslocal
                  Noobie
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 8

                  #9
                  Harness should be here today! We have a MAF but I haven't the slightest as to what harness it goes too. Would the nv MAF work with the vanos harness?

                  Thanks for the input everyone! I was getting soooo tired of searching. I trolled that s50 no starty thread for atleast a week :p

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                  • gregslow318i
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 1918

                    #10
                    nv maf has a 7 pin round connector (only 5 pins used) and a vanos maf has a round 4 pin connector
                    a non-vanos maf will not work with a vanos harness and such a vanos motor
                    same goes for a vanos maf on a non-vanos harness and such a non-vanos motor
                    looking for a e30m50 swap harness adapter pm me $150 shipped
                    email nitroman12@gmail.com

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                    • Daveworkslocal
                      Noobie
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 8

                      #11
                      Can anyone post a wiring diagram for an auto 1992 e34 harness to the 1991 318is c101 plug?

                      All I can find is the wiring from a 95 525 to a 91 318is.
                      Everything matches except pin 14 (rpm speed signal) It says it should be blk/white on the e34 side. But my pin 14 on my e34 harness is brown and red. Do i connect them anyway? I also do have a black and white with yellow paint on it at pin 6 but I have no idea what that is so... yea.

                      Heres the link to the chart. http://r3vlimited.com/BOARD/showthre...=112396&page=2

                      Input appreciated!
                      Thanks
                      Dave

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                      • Daveworkslocal
                        Noobie
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 8

                        #12
                        Anyone?

                        It started today for the first time! But the tach works. and I'm pretty sure that was the wire I left out...? lol

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