It sounds liker reliability would be an issue for you. There are gonna be alot less hiccups with 24v swap and they are done soooo often and there is sooo much info out there about them. Then once you get it swapped, turbo it.
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Anyone know where I can get a good deal on the complete engine, tranny, dme and accessory?Comment
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Craigslist maboy!Comment
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This debate is always good for a chuckle.
The SR is lighter, shorter, and cheaper. Parts are cheap compared to the s5x.( YES i have compared them.)
Ever wonder why BMW used the 4 cylinder and not the 6 in all the balls out DTM m3's? Revability, weight and better chassis balance. Front suspension and brakes have less work to do. 2 more cylinders, crank throws, rods and pistons hanging out past the front wheels dont exactly do wonders for handing. To boot the block is cast iron.
I can spin 8000 rpm all day and make peak torque at 4400 rpm with my EFR and kelford cams. With 3.73 gears I can do 90 kmh in FIRST gear.
Anyhow, I have ridden in an M3 with a supercharged S52 and it was very fast. when the owner told me how much he spent I almost threw up in my hat. The supercharger kit cost as much as I spent to build my whole car.
Bench racers to the back of the line.Comment
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Yeah.. that was my other debate. Cost of owning and maintaining a Bimmer is expensive. Also from what I heard it will pretty expensive to get anymore power out of that s52. Hey e30redtopsr. How how was it to drop that sr into the e30?Comment
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Making power from a na mill is double++ of boosted factory mill.
S54@320rwhp pump costs $10k all said and done for 8400rpm and craziness.
a stock S52 boosted with supercharger or low pressure turbo could be done same budget (10k), would be more power yes. (360-400 rwhp)
a built s52+ turbo + tuning would cost about $12-15k done up right and could do in the 500-700rwhp range. Longevity is another issue with built motors....
Sr20det s15+6mt and bpu setting for. 330 rwhp can be done for 4.5k if lucky,
8k if lightly building the motor (pistons) and drop in turbo. At the.
10k mark you should be gt30r range. :)
same for a 2JZ-GTE; it fits happily in a e30
$5.5K should have you BPU 400rwhp on stock twins with a stock rebuilt motor.
$8.5k should have a studded stock rebuilt motor+single GT35R
$12k should have about 700-1,000rwhp of powertrain (gt40/42r and mild built motor with pistons, rods, minor headwork+cams)Last edited by Wanganstyle; 10-22-2011, 08:51 AM.OBD1 M54/M52TU swap as a M50b25
Z4 non powered steering rack fits e30
Euro e46 2005/6 320d 6mt gearbox into E30 with M20 hardy and beck 1985 327s engine
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[quote=Wanganstyle;2811456]Making power from a na mill is double++ of boosted factory mill.
S54@320rwhp pump costs $10k all said and done for 8400rpm and craziness.
a stock S52 boosted with supercharger or low pressure turbo could be done same budget (10k), would be more power yes. (360-400 rwhp)
a built s52+ turbo + tuning would cost about $12-15k done up right and could do in the 500-700rwhp range. Longevity is another issue with built motors....
Sr20det s15+6mt and bpu setting for. 330 rwhp( NOT ON A STOCK TURBO) can be done for 4.5k if lucky,
8k if lightly building the motor (pistons) and drop in turbo. At the.
10k mark you should be gt30r range. :)
AND DONT FORGET THE ALTEZZA TAILLIGHTS BALLER
same for a 2JZ-GTE; it fits happily in a e30
$5.5K should have you BPU 400rwhp on stock twins with a stock rebuilt motor.
$8.5k should have a studded stock rebuilt motor+single GT35R
$12k should have about 700-1,000rwhp of powertrain (gt40/42r and mild built motor with pistons, rods, minor headwork+cams)AND A CRANKSHAFT?[/quote]
s13 red top + 5 speed trans $1600
cams $350
turbo $800 (power enterprise 1420)
ecu tune $300
720 cc injectors $450
hd clutch $300( dont forget this one)
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= not 4500.
Bpu setting= Basic Performance Upgrades?
Do you know all these dollar to performance ratios from personal experience or rough mathemagician guestomation from the wishlist/cart on the tuner supply warehouse?Comment
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If you can do an engine swap you can do it. Stand alone harness is avaliable. with a stock manifold turbo no issues. Brake booster becomes a real headache when you go to a bigger turbo and tubular manifold. I have a combo for the brake booster setup that is full of win and uses all bmw parts.Comment
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Rough, realistic expenses from actually doing things.
I built a sr20det swap car back in... 2003? Had a few around, 1.5 bar of
Boost on t28+av fuel or a aftermarket turbo needed yes for max bpu.
I wouldn't even bother with a redtop SR (sorry), I'd start with s15 variable valve timing engine w/ball bearing t28 and 6 speed. Don't drift so don't care about breaking gearboxes, Torsen s15 LSD is nice.
Built 2jzgte bpu in 2008, from naked block. Wrote the wiring FAQ also, u can google it. Naked block up build, stock bpu setup cost me 4.5k.
Stock 2j crank is just fine, 12k won't get u a stroker. Those are silly expensive
Did s54 e36m a few years back, you can look@link in my sig.
Have a complete s54 and full 2jzgte 1,000rwhp internals at my place right now....and a gt35r....spare alpina full built m20 on stand for my e 30. I don't mess around or joke.
A local friend has the fastest s52 car stateside (9.05 1/4 mile). I built the diff for it.OBD1 M54/M52TU swap as a M50b25
Z4 non powered steering rack fits e30
Euro e46 2005/6 320d 6mt gearbox into E30 with M20 hardy and beck 1985 327s engine
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[quote=Wanganstyle;2811529]First off you didnt build anything. Other people and high buck shops built it for you, bleeding you of ridiculous amounts of money and spoon feeding you bullshit to keep the blank cheques coming.
What you have at your place is a pile of parts. My shit runs and drives.
I know people that built fast cars, hell I built a fast car with my own two hands. Built it and drove it. I put 5000 miles on my car last year. HARD miles at that and I NEVER had an issue, because I built it.
You built a diff! I built my first ford 9 inch when I was 16.
People look at my car and say "What the hell is that?" and "how does that work?"
They look at yours and say, " oh, another one of those"
All parts and designs on my war wagon were assembled to work harmoniously for maximum result. I dont read tuner magazines because they are teen wet dream crap.Comment
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pssshhhh ford 9 inches are for pussies.
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Read the build thread. Look at the photos
Price figures are ball park. Looking at your precious, the sr in your car easily cost 5k+ in parts to assemble perhaps you are in denial at your own labor value or actual automotive spending habit...
no useless pile of parts here. Oh- I actually track my cars too...my friends organize track days - are you going to hate on that also?
I have not the need to read tuner magazines, I figured out and wrote instructions for e36m s54 swap; wired in the standalone myself.
How can a shop do for you a swap that doesn't exist?
My first swap was:
Turn left hand drive fwd sohc na car to;
Right hand drive+awd+turbo+full export spec climate control and Ac.
Nobody did that for me, it was not in existence of a swap.
What shop will figure out how to wire merge graft a 2 Engine harness'es to a chassis platform -AND POST THE WIRING CHATS??
How is ordering eBay engine fitting mounts for replacing an original with a cheaper to modify Japanese engine with 20 years worth of cheaper jap aftermarket parts original?? If you wanted to create something original you would have built a na bmw engine into turboOBD1 M54/M52TU swap as a M50b25
Z4 non powered steering rack fits e30
Euro e46 2005/6 320d 6mt gearbox into E30 with M20 hardy and beck 1985 327s engine
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Let me rephrase:
I I have never been able to justify to hire pay a shop to do a swap that does not exist. I also enjoy playing with puzzles a lot.
labor is bank here in NorCal. Figuring out a wire merge harness is an easy 40 hours of labor... You can do it 15 hours the next time around if you keep good notes, but shops don't give out those notes to each other lolOBD1 M54/M52TU swap as a M50b25
Z4 non powered steering rack fits e30
Euro e46 2005/6 320d 6mt gearbox into E30 with M20 hardy and beck 1985 327s engine
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