m50 head rebuild? ..HELP!!

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  • dnick
    E30 Fanatic
    • Apr 2011
    • 1377

    #1

    m50 head rebuild? ..HELP!!

    Alright so im sorting out problems with my swap, Ive done a compression test and the numbers are great (see my build thread).. but the bitch is smoking and i saw oil on the plug.. SO people said to replace the valve cover gasket and one of my friends said to also replace the valve stem seals. Im going to go ahead and do this, but are there any tricks or tips that i should know about? What brands to get or stay away from? Im trying to learn as much as possible before tackling this!
    Engine is a m50tu.
    Last edited by dnick; 02-02-2012, 04:51 PM.
  • DesertBMW
    E30 Enthusiast
    • Aug 2011
    • 1018

    #2
    remove head, clean the surface and check for cracks around water ports, very common issue.

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    • dnick
      E30 Fanatic
      • Apr 2011
      • 1377

      #3
      I'll look for that..

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      • jrdeamicis
        E30 Modder
        • Nov 2008
        • 956

        #4
        Is it smoking out the tailpipe or in the engine bay?
        Past Car : E30 S50 6 Speed 5 Lug 3.73
        Current : Z3 S50 OBD2 (Smog Legal) 6 Speed BBS RN Dual Ear Diff
        ___________________________________________
        BNB Designs
        Engine Swaps, Fabrication, Innovation, General Repair
        Richmond CA
        Julian 848-248-8029

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        • dnick
          E30 Fanatic
          • Apr 2011
          • 1377

          #5
          tailpipe.

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          • jrdeamicis
            E30 Modder
            • Nov 2008
            • 956

            #6
            When is it smoking? idle? All the time? Only under heavy throttle? What color? What temps?! SO MANY QUESTIONS?!?!
            Past Car : E30 S50 6 Speed 5 Lug 3.73
            Current : Z3 S50 OBD2 (Smog Legal) 6 Speed BBS RN Dual Ear Diff
            ___________________________________________
            BNB Designs
            Engine Swaps, Fabrication, Innovation, General Repair
            Richmond CA
            Julian 848-248-8029

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            • dnick
              E30 Fanatic
              • Apr 2011
              • 1377

              #7
              Originally posted by jrdeamicis
              When is it smoking? idle? All the time? Only under heavy throttle? What color? What temps?! SO MANY QUESTIONS?!?!
              pretty much all the time, and.. hm well lol its burning oil color lol,
              its still not tagged yet, im still finishing up building the car.. its just open header right now, no o2 sensor currently.. i havent run it longer than like 10 minutes yet. It does smoke more under heavy throttle. Im pretty sure the rings are fine because the compression test was good.

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              • TimKninja
                R3VLimited
                • Mar 2009
                • 2131

                #8
                No 02 will cause a rich condition which causes white smoke out of the exhaust.

                What does it smell like? You can smell it burning oil if it is.
                1985 325e M50TU(Sold)
                1991 318is Slicktop (Sold)
                1990 325is Brilliantrot S50/5 Lug Swapped.
                1992 525i Manual shitbox Winter Beater

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                • dnick
                  E30 Fanatic
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 1377

                  #9
                  Originally posted by TimKninja
                  No 02 will cause a rich condition which causes white smoke out of the exhaust.

                  What does it smell like? You can smell it burning oil if it is.
                  yeah it smells like burning oil

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                  • etxxz
                    R3VLimited
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 2085

                    #10
                    valve stem seals are easily doable with the head on FYI. You can either use the trick of feeding a rope in through the spark plug to keep the valves in place or the same but to feed pressurized air. The purpose is to not drop a valve while you remove and tap back on the valve seals.

                    Just do one cylinder at a time. you can make your own valve spring retainer removal/install tool with a steel C bracket IIRC i found the idea on bimmerforums. pm me if you need info help on removing the cam properly torque specs etc.
                    No more e30s for me.
                    88 black BMW OBDII 332is dedicated track [sold]
                    88 BMW OBDII bronzit 332is [RIP 03/08]
                    91 BMW 325i [sold]
                    86 Corolla 'Ae86' HB 20v trd [sold]
                    http://youtube.com/watch?v=pTj7Hn9v5Rs

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                    • dnick
                      E30 Fanatic
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 1377

                      #11
                      Originally posted by etxxz
                      valve stem seals are easily doable with the head on FYI. You can either use the trick of feeding a rope in through the spark plug to keep the valves in place or the same but to feed pressurized air. The purpose is to not drop a valve while you remove and tap back on the valve seals.

                      Just do one cylinder at a time. you can make your own valve spring retainer removal/install tool with a steel C bracket IIRC i found the idea on bimmerforums. pm me if you need info help on removing the cam properly torque specs etc.
                      got a pm lol.

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                      • hwy84
                        Advanced Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 190

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dnick
                        yeah it smells like burning oil
                        Dumb but possible:

                        How clean are your exhaust manifolds? If you spilled oil on those bad boys, or if they were sitting in a dirty box with a bunch of other accessories and crap before you stuck them on the motor, it will take a WHILE for everything to burn off... Just handling mine with dirty work gloves as I welded up and filed the exhaust ports (S52 manis on S50) got them oily enough to smoke pretty good for quite a while when I actually ran the car for the few few times. And with the engine bay open, you really notice it.

                        Might seem lame, but before I started doing valve seals, I'd wanna make sure the stupid stuff is perfect...
                        Current:
                        1991 325i Sedan - S50 Swap
                        1988 325i Cabrio

                        Past:
                        1991 M3
                        1991 318is
                        1985 325e

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                        • etxxz
                          R3VLimited
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 2085

                          #13
                          Try doing the napkin test i told you about.

                          If you get wet oil residue on your hand/napkin/towel you're probably past the realm of valve stem seals and looking at bad oil scraper rings, or scored cylinder walls in the rear bank (cyls 4-5-6). Bad rings usually product blue(ish) smoke too.

                          Just smoking exhaust could be valve stem seals. That with a valve cover gasket is cheap enough, just time intensive... like a whole day's worth of work.

                          Here's a tip to help you nail down whether its rings or valve seals.

                          Redo the compression test (must have WOT) - gives you X numbers.
                          Add little over a tbsp of oil to that cyl and redo the compression test. If numbers go up, you have a valve stem seal problem, but if numbers stay about the same then its likely the rings not sealing well and even more likely scored walls to go along.

                          let usknow mang and good luck.
                          No more e30s for me.
                          88 black BMW OBDII 332is dedicated track [sold]
                          88 BMW OBDII bronzit 332is [RIP 03/08]
                          91 BMW 325i [sold]
                          86 Corolla 'Ae86' HB 20v trd [sold]
                          http://youtube.com/watch?v=pTj7Hn9v5Rs

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                          • dnick
                            E30 Fanatic
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 1377

                            #14
                            Originally posted by etxxz
                            Try doing the napkin test i told you about.

                            If you get wet oil residue on your hand/napkin/towel you're probably past the realm of valve stem seals and looking at bad oil scraper rings, or scored cylinder walls in the rear bank (cyls 4-5-6). Bad rings usually product blue(ish) smoke too.

                            Just smoking exhaust could be valve stem seals. That with a valve cover gasket is cheap enough, just time intensive... like a whole day's worth of work.

                            Here's a tip to help you nail down whether its rings or valve seals.

                            Redo the compression test (must have WOT) - gives you X numbers.
                            Add little over a tbsp of oil to that cyl and redo the compression test. If numbers go up, you have a valve stem seal problem, but if numbers stay about the same then its likely the rings not sealing well and even more likely scored walls to go along.

                            let usknow mang and good luck.
                            there is oil blowing out of the exhaust, and i can see it on the ground by the header (exhaust isnt complete yet) .. well, im fucked

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