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    M50NV Cold Cut Out, Ideas Needed

    '85 325e with M50NV

    This is when the engine is completely cold. I start and drive with the gas held at a certain position for more than two or three seconds and it will hesitate/loose power. It does not lurch or surge. It just feels weak. I then push the gas pedal a litte more and with a slight delay I get an huge surge of power. An almost too extreme analagy would be that it is like driving a three cylinder and then all of a sudden a turbo kicks in. This all continues for about 15 to 20 seconds and goes away once it is warm.

    The idle when I first start is good and smooth at about 900 rpm. After about 5 minutes it goes to a surging idle, and then once it is all the way up to temp, it idles kind of rough with the occasional rough patch here and there.

    It use to cut out at high rpm when I first got it running. There is also no power when I hook up a peak tool to the diagnostic port. However I can measure power at the port.

    This is what I have done so far:
    New coils and bosch regular dual electrode spark plugs
    New vacuum hoses, intake bellows, o rings, and extra hose clamps
    Cleaned ICV
    New Intake manifold gaskets
    New main fuel pump
    New Oxygen sensor, continuity was okay
    New water temp sensor
    I tried a new air temp sensor (not an oe one), I don't have it installed currently, but it didn't seem to work.
    Visually inspected cam position sensor
    Visually inspected crank sensor
    Tried another 403 ecu
    Tried another MAF
    Throttle position sensor was replaced by po

    Things I need to check:
    The dipstick isn't mounted very well. However, if I pull the dipstick the idle still goes up. So I am sceptical that this is causing a big enough vacuum leak.

    I don't know anymore. Maybe we wired something wrong, or there is a short somewhere. I can go ahead and start checking continuity in other places, I just don't know what it should be for a lot of the sensors.

    Thanks

    Here is a pic for fun. This is before the new coils and other things.

    #2
    Is your vss connected? Your car has a c104 connector instead od c101 which means you have to get the signal from the back of the cluster either from the green cruise control wire or from the speed signal wore in c3 white connector.
    Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

    Originally posted by Wh33lhop
    VANOS: sometimes you just need to go full retard.

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      #3
      ^I saw your thread related to something about that.

      I will go check. We wired it a few months ago. I know we wired the tach signal at the cluster, and there might be a second wire in there. Do I need an e36 speed sensor?

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        #4
        Originally posted by iceman View Post
        ^I saw your thread related to something about that.

        I will go check. We wired it a few months ago. I know we wired the tach signal at the cluster, and there might be a second wire in there. Do I need an e36 speed sensor?
        Tach sensor and Speed sensor are two different things, check pin 73 on the DME plug for continuity, that will ensure if the DME is actually getting the signal. And no the e30 and e36 have the same speed sensor in the diff.
        Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

        Originally posted by Wh33lhop
        VANOS: sometimes you just need to go full retard.

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          #5
          That sounds like it might be an easier way. I checked at the round X24 (is that the name for the e36 connector?) and there was a black wire and black and white wire that were hooked up to the gauge cluster. On the green plugs on the back of the cluster was where one was connected with a blue and yellow wire and the other connected to a brown and black wire on the blue gauge cluster connector. I am not color blind :)

          That sounds all confusing so I will go check pin 73 at the dme.

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            #6
            Well I got bored and did some digging and everything is wired up. I do have a wire from the e36 harness going to cruise control speed output location on the gauge cluster.

            This clarified that it does not matter what pin it is connected into on the green part.


            I'll report back tomorrow after do a check of that at pin 73 and I will check some other sensors.
            Last edited by iceman; 02-25-2012, 12:42 AM.

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              #7
              When I had my m50nv,I had same issue...sorta,but after three MAF's,problem solved.

              GL

              Dan
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              1991 318IS slick top
              1997 M3 sedan
              2001 325CI DD

              “whoever turns the wheel the least, wins"

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                #8
                Im gonna bump this as Ive been having a similar problem.

                Dan, the problem never came back?

                Iceman, did you figure yours out?

                COTM

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