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    Please help- M52 OBD1 E30 hesitation and issues starting.

    Ok, so this car has become the devil. I bought it off of a fellow R3v member about a month ago with hesitation issues thinking it would be an easy fix but it has become anything but that. I have never had a car that has defeated me but this one might. Im about to give up and find a shop that can deal with it.

    Background of car: It is a 1987 325is with an M52 block, and M50 head converted to OBD1. When I purchased the car, it took some time to start. You would have to crank it for about 5 seconds. It would start and then idle like crap. You would turn it back off and on and it would idle fine. It would rev fine up til red line as long as you r3ved it slowely and didnt trying to full throttle it. When driving it, under normal driving it seemed fine but anything over about half throttle, the car would hesitate, bog, and had no power. Under full throttle, there was severe hesitation.

    Got the car back to my house and started diagnosing. Hooked up the code reader and the diagnostic port had no power. Long story short, took the wiring covers off and what a mess. The repinning made no sense and the easiest way, I thought, would be to tear the wiring out and start over.

    So I went to the junk yard, got a new M50 harness with the end of a E36 body harness and took of the old end of a M20 engine harness to create the adapter. I rewired the entire engine, made the adapter, plugged it all in and it started right up. Diagnostic port works now. Throwing no codes though. Took it out for a drive but am having the same issues. It isnt nearly as severe of a hesitation but still there and once in a while, gets really bad and can barely even move the car from a red light. Cant get revs up but once I do play around with the throttle and get them up, its fine again.

    I swapped ECU's first. The exact issues. Also swapped throttle position sensors. Same issue. Havent changed injectors yet but i was thinking it was fuel related so i changed fuel pressure regulator first since it was held on with zip ties.

    So next, I replaced crank and cam position sensors. No difference. Also, swapped main relays, ECU and MAF. Nothing. It will run great one minute and like shit the next minute. Even when it is "great" there is still some hesitation up high where it is missing a bit.

    Then replaced temp sensor for ECU. Nothing different.

    Next replaced fuel pump with Walbro pump that came out of my race car, i know it is good. Also pulled grounds off the engine and nothing.

    While working on the car yesterday it started doing some even more wierd things. The starter started clicking while trying to start the car but it would keep cranking and eventually start. The interior lights are now flashing when trying to start the car, almost like a nearly dead battery, but that isnt the case. Ive tested power and car keeps cranking and then finally starts. Turned the car off and then tried starting it about 10 minutes later to head home for the evening and now it wont even start. IT cranks and cranks and lightely fires but wont fire all of the way and wont start. After playing around with it for about 15 min and literally doing nothing useful the car finally started but I couldnt get it to r3v or get any power. Kept stepping on the gas pedal trying to back the car into the driveway and then all the sudden it R3v's up and was r3ving with full power again.

    I am about to give up. I seriously cant think of anything else to try that might cause this. I used to be all into E36's and recently been all into E30's so I forgot the diagnostics of the E36.

    Has any one had any other issues like this or ideas of what i might be? Please help before I go mad.

    Update(7/31/12): update: as of today, the car wont start at all. it will crank and crank and wife once but then stops cranking and wont fire beyond one initial fire, if it fires at all.

    Update(7/31/12): Found this issue this weekend. I swapped the fuel pump out of my racecar (Walbro 255) which is obviously much stronger. Shortly after that was when the car stopped running completely. I checked the fuel pressure everywhere and ended up checking it right out of the pump. Turns out it was only pushing about 20 psi everywhere. Pulled the pump back out and the 2" rubbing hose connecting the pump to the housing complete blew apart right down the middle.

    My theory is that the issue we were having before was that there was a smaller hole or tear in that hose which was preventing the fuel pressure from completely building up.

    I replaced rubber hose on housing and car is back in action.
    Last edited by redrocket328; 08-06-2012, 01:17 PM.

    #2
    when i started to read your post i had a few ideas but slowly you ruled almost all of them out.
    to me it seems like you either have a bad connection, damaged wire or a sensor going bad but the harness is replaced, cam and crank sensors are replaced so there is little chance to that.
    i was also thinking the ecu if it has the right chips for the engine/injector combo but it would be either bad or good. not moody like yours.
    my last guess would be the vanos. have you tried to disconnect it and see how it runs without it? maybe it's sticking or the actuator is going bad.

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      #3
      as stated you seem to have covered your bases pretty well :S

      Also curious about ECU--running the stock tune now or some chip?

      Tried swapping injectors? FPR is hooked up ok? Nothing obvious clogging the TB or MAF?

      any other odd symptoms? especially electrical? youre SURE the grounds are all ok?

      just shots in the dark I know...

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        #4
        Forgot to add this in the thread but I actually swap ECU's as well. The ECU was from a 95 M3 but should work. It started and gave all the same issues. The chip in the M3 ecu is a turner chip but 413 ECU is running stock chip.

        I unplugged vanos as well and still had same issues.

        I pulled grounds off and checked everything cleaned and reattached but I havent actually changed ground wires.

        I am thinking it is something electrical. Has anyone heard of issues like this being caused by voltage regulator possibly?

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          #5
          I have a similar sounding problem, but I'm not as far along in my diagnosis. Temp sensors are coming soon for me.

          Good luck man! DON'T GIVE UP!!
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            #6
            Which injectors are you using? you said the 413 ecu with stock chip is giving you trouble. that's for #17 but m52 uses the pink top #21.5. it's possible that your engine is choking on fuel. the m3 ecu you tried was for s50 or s52? i would suggest to get the right tune for the engine before you go into serious troubleshooting.

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              #7
              Originally posted by treff-7 View Post
              Which injectors are you using? you said the 413 ecu with stock chip is giving you trouble. that's for #17 but m52 uses the pink top #21.5. it's possible that your engine is choking on fuel. the m3 ecu you tried was for s50 or s52? i would suggest to get the right tune for the engine before you go into serious troubleshooting.
              The head and all components along the head are off of M50 so im assuming injectors are from m50 but i will confirm that this week. Also, m3 ecu was from 95 which is s50

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                #8
                update: as of today, the car wont start at all. it will crank and crank and wife once but then stops cranking and wont fire beyond one initial fire, if it fires at all.

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                  #9
                  And everyone wonders why i harp on OBD2 so much. Youd never have this problem with it.

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                    #10
                    have you check your speed sensors on the diff and making sure your ECU is getting a signal .. i have a 87 325is i was having a similar problem an ended up being my speed sensor my ecu was not getting a speed signal... i had to run 2 wires from my glovebox to cluster.. if i remember correctly... its been 2 years from my swap....:D

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by isra View Post
                      have you check your speed sensors on the diff and making sure your ECU is getting a signal .. i have a 87 325is i was having a similar problem an ended up being my speed sensor my ecu was not getting a speed signal... i had to run 2 wires from my glovebox to cluster.. if i remember correctly... its been 2 years from my swap....:D
                      It would really affect it that much, even at idle? I cannot guarentee it is getting signal. Atleast, I havent wired it up and the speedo on the cluster doesnt work.... I just thought it was another shotty E30 cluster but maybe.

                      What needs to be done to get the ECU signal? In the mean time Ill do some research on it but if you could send me your experience and what you did, that would be great.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by 328ijunkie View Post
                        And everyone wonders why i harp on OBD2 so much. Youd never have this problem with it.
                        How so?
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                          #13
                          OP: You are (also) running a 2.8 liter engine (M52B28 with M50Vanos head) with a 2.5 liter engine map (413 ECU)?

                          I'm running the same setup you described. I've experienced a noticeable hesitation on WOT 3rd gear pulls. I haven't checked into it yet, because other than that, it runs fine. I guessed it was fuel pump/fuel filter/regulator or O2 sensor.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by rightcoastbias View Post
                            OP: You are (also) running a 2.8 liter engine (M52B28 with M50Vanos head) with a 2.5 liter engine map (413 ECU)?

                            I'm running the same setup you described. I've experienced a noticeable hesitation on WOT 3rd gear pulls. I haven't checked into it yet, because other than that, it runs fine. I guessed it was fuel pump/fuel filter/regulator or O2 sensor.

                            Yes I am running that exact setup.

                            I would check the speed sensor. I had a E36 M3 S52 for a while and had a similar hesitation on WOT pulls and ended up being bad speed sensor in diff. I called a very well know mechanic in the area that builds these cars and engines and that was his first guess so I would assume its a common issue. He was right.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by redrocket328 View Post
                              Yes I am running that exact setup.

                              I would check the speed sensor. I had a E36 M3 S52 for a while and had a similar hesitation on WOT pulls and ended up being bad speed sensor in diff. I called a very well know mechanic in the area that builds these cars and engines and that was his first guess so I would assume its a common issue. He was right.
                              My diff speed sensor is good, as my odometer does work. But my speedometer does not work. I'll try reflowing the solder joints and see if this changes anything.

                              Thanks.

                              Resolved:
                              I removed my cluster to reflow solder on the speedometer and found my CEL lamp was burnt out. Did the 5-stomp code read and found I had an Intake Air Temp CEL. My air intake temp sensor wires were torn off inside the plug. Reconnected wires to IAT. Car is pulling strong and the speedometer works. I'm giddy like a schoolgirl.
                              Last edited by rightcoastbias; 08-06-2012, 06:10 AM.

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