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  • Beej '86 325es
    R3VLimited
    • Feb 2004
    • 2639

    #1

    Have spark and fuel, but no start - REVELATION!

    I just got done rebuilding my Vanos unit.
    I put it back together and now it won't start!?

    I've verified I have spark and fuel, and a good charge on the battery. I tried swapping the computer, disconnecting the MAF, but no dice. It's not throwing any codes either. The only electrical plug I disconnected during that work was the vanos solenoid.

    Can someone throw some possible causes at me? It used to start like a champ.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by Beej '86 325es; 08-28-2012, 04:55 PM.
    -Brandon
    '86 325es S50
    '12 VW GTI Autobahn DSG
    '03 540i M-Sport (sold)
    '08 Jeep SRT-8 (sold)

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  • Farbin Kaiber
    Lil' Puppet
    • Jul 2007
    • 29502

    #2
    Didn't remove any grounds?

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    • evoDRichie
      E30 Mastermind
      • Jan 2010
      • 1743

      #3
      do u have gas
      sigpic
      Who`s attention, and why do I have to pay them?

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      • 36brua
        Mod Crazy
        • Feb 2008
        • 689

        #4
        Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
        Didn't remove any grounds?
        you didn't say what engine but is the ground from fuel rail connected?
        on M50tu usually fastened by bolt at engine lift bracket
        My CA legal M60 swap

        The happening in our garage

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        • Beej '86 325es
          R3VLimited
          • Feb 2004
          • 2639

          #5
          Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
          Didn't remove any grounds?
          Originally posted by 36brua
          you didn't say what engine but is the ground from fuel rail connected?
          on M50tu usually fastened by bolt at engine lift bracket
          It's an S50.

          I only removed the fuel rail ground so I could remove the vanos unit, but it's reconnected. Plus I can smell fuel in the cylinder, so the injectors must be firing.
          -Brandon
          '86 325es S50
          '12 VW GTI Autobahn DSG
          '03 540i M-Sport (sold)
          '08 Jeep SRT-8 (sold)

          For sale:
          S50 TMS chip for Schricks

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          • Farbin Kaiber
            Lil' Puppet
            • Jul 2007
            • 29502

            #6
            Nothing changed with CPS?

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            • Rugbyfan
              Wrencher
              • Jun 2011
              • 286

              #7
              Originally posted by Beej '86 325es
              I have spark and fuel!
              if you have spark and fuel and you can see/smell gas in the cylinders, then perhaps its just flooded from all the cranking?
              "Broke into the wrong God damn rec room, didn't ya you bastard!"

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              • Beej '86 325es
                R3VLimited
                • Feb 2004
                • 2639

                #8
                Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                Nothing changed with CPS?
                I don't think so, not intentionally anyway. I found some oil that dripped down onto the crank sensor from the work, but that shouldn't affect anything...additionally, it was replaced a couple of months ago. I didn't touch the cam sensor either...again, not intentionally.

                Originally posted by Rugbyfan
                if you have spark and fuel and you can see/smell gas in the cylinders, then perhaps its just flooded from all the cranking?
                I don't think so, because I've off-and-on tried starting it for 3 days now, never cranking for more than 4-5 seconds. Also they are brand new plugs I installed since I had the head torn apart.

                I did a leak-down before I fixed the vanos. Is it possible that the 40psi I used could have screwed up some sensor?
                Last edited by Beej '86 325es; 08-26-2012, 11:54 AM.
                -Brandon
                '86 325es S50
                '12 VW GTI Autobahn DSG
                '03 540i M-Sport (sold)
                '08 Jeep SRT-8 (sold)

                For sale:
                S50 TMS chip for Schricks

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                • Rugbyfan
                  Wrencher
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 286

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Beej '86 325es

                  I did a leak-down before I fixed the vanos. Is it possible that the 40psi I used could have screwed up some sensor?

                  If you have tested that you have spark from each coil, and if you've pulled your injector rail and cranked the motor with it aimed at some towels, then I'm not clear how it couldn't fire.
                  "Broke into the wrong God damn rec room, didn't ya you bastard!"

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                  • 328ijunkie
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                    • May 2007
                    • 3961

                    #10
                    Engine misttimed?

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                    • Beej '86 325es
                      R3VLimited
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 2639

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 328ijunkie
                      Engine misttimed?
                      Possible. I locked the cams in place, but the engine doesn't have such an audible thump-thump-thump of cylinder compression when I crank it now. It felt like I got the vanos reinstalled correctly with the cam turning tool, but it's possible it's not. I may have to tear the valve cover off again and check it out.
                      -Brandon
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                      • Beej '86 325es
                        R3VLimited
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 2639

                        #12
                        Well, the timing somehow got off when I reinstalled the vanos. I broke the secondary tensioner with the piece of garbage sprocket tool in the process of removing it again.
                        FML
                        -Brandon
                        '86 325es S50
                        '12 VW GTI Autobahn DSG
                        '03 540i M-Sport (sold)
                        '08 Jeep SRT-8 (sold)

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                        • 328ijunkie
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                          • May 2007
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                          #13
                          Eeek.

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                          • devon.818
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 2937

                            #14
                            check timeing.
                            check compression.

                            if you have spark and fuel, then those are the only other two things, i mean we can almost garantee you have air so...

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                            • Beej '86 325es
                              R3VLimited
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 2639

                              #15
                              Revelation!

                              Mother of God... :o:o:o

                              I think I just solved my running issue.

                              I completely removed the exhaust sprocket mounting bolts and the cover plate and found that my sprocket appears to be mounted incorrectly by the engine builder...

                              Turned CCW:


                              Turned CW:


                              Does that crap look right? It looks like the cams have less than half the travel that they should when the Vanos actuates.

                              Video also...(I don't know how to do the embedding)
                              Last edited by Beej '86 325es; 08-28-2012, 04:53 PM.
                              -Brandon
                              '86 325es S50
                              '12 VW GTI Autobahn DSG
                              '03 540i M-Sport (sold)
                              '08 Jeep SRT-8 (sold)

                              For sale:
                              S50 TMS chip for Schricks

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