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    help - grinding starter on flywheel

    I have read through so many posts about starter issues and could not find an answer, that I finally decided to post here as I am out of ideas and hope somebody can point me in the right direction...

    My dilemma is a starter that grinds on the flywheel but is not engaging it.

    Here are the details:
    Car is a '89 325i automatic. Pulled engine and transmission and swapped in a 96 M52 OBD1 with manual Getrag 260. Engine harness originally from a 93 525i and was in a 90 325i manual swap car that ran. Flywheel is UUC e34 M5. Talked with UUC and they confirmed any e36 starter is to be used with this combination.

    First starter came with engine and had a bad solenoid, it did nothing, so I replaced it with a rebuild I got from Autozone (rebuild by Duralast Bosch e36 starter). This one did work but only made horrible grinding noises on the flywheel.

    To ensure engine turns over and runs, we jump-started it down the road in second gear, car and engine run fine.

    Next thought was it must probably be a bad bendix not pushing gear out, so Autozone exchanged for another rebuild Bosch e36 starter. This one did the exact same thing, just grinding on the flywheel.

    Did more research and read in several posts that starters are occasionally being confused and thought to be the right ones when instead they are for a different car. So I went and ordered a rebuild by Bosch e36 Bosch starter from the local BMW shop, thinking this must be the safest route to eliminate that issue. But unfortunately, grinding is all this one does too.

    I measured distances from mounting points of starter to flywheel front and back, see pics. Also measured the starter opening with gear. It seems that they are where they should be? Also measured voltages at starter - big post reads 12.8V, and middle size post with black/yellow wire reads 12.6V when I turn the ignition key. Smallest post has black/green wire attached, which I understand is the unloader wire, didn't measure voltage there.

    The only thing I can think of now is that I placed the spacer (gaul plate) of the flywheel on the wrong side (at engine side instead of transmission side, see instruction pic), even though I am quite sure I followed the instructions and it was visible on the flywheel surface where it had been installed before. But then it was a long and cold day that day...

    If anybody has an idea where I went wrong or what I could do to get the starter to engage the flywheel, that would be great help! I'd hate to remove transmission and everything to find out that it was a bad fuse..
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    Last edited by moe30ip; 04-09-2013, 08:56 AM.

    #2
    I have a hypothesis for whats going on here. Try an M20 starter.

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      #3
      If I had to guess, your teeth look a little mismatched!
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        #4
        I will give the M20 starter a try! Hopefully I can source one today and try it this weekend. I had thought about doing that before, and looking at the teeth and how they're not engaging, there's a good chance they're mismatched. But once UUC confirmed that an e36 starter should be used, I went that route.

        It seems on realoem there are different starters for the 325i and 325e, both M20 engines with Getrag 260s. Which one should I try? My guess is the 325i? Thanks for your input!

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          #5
          I believe the transmission/flywheel combo came from an early '86 e30 eta, so I guess I should probably try the eta starter?

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            #6
            sounds good
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              #7
              Do you have the original starter that came with the engine?

              That flywheel looks like a M20 flywheel (which would come paired with G260)

              UUC flywheels seem to be blue or aluminum silver?
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              Z4 non powered steering rack fits e30



              Euro e46 2005/6 320d 6mt gearbox into E30 with M20 hardy and beck 1985 327s engine

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                #8
                You were correct, the M20 starter did it, and it is indeed an e30 flywheel from a euro 323i, not a UUC e34M5 as I had thought. Somehow that little detail got lost in a long train of e-mails a few years back and I didn't pick up on it... Thank you all for your help!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by moe30ip View Post
                  You were correct, the M20 starter did it, and it is indeed an e30 flywheel from a euro 323i, not a UUC e34M5 as I had thought. Somehow that little detail got lost in a long train of e-mails a few years back and I didn't pick up on it... Thank you all for your help!
                  woot. I hate starters and the associated confusion - glad my experience could help you solve your issue. I once had to install/remove 4 different starters (some hybrid) until I got the right one.......with a 6 speed in the way it was quite a chore.
                  OBD1 M54/M52TU swap as a M50b25

                  Z4 non powered steering rack fits e30



                  Euro e46 2005/6 320d 6mt gearbox into E30 with M20 hardy and beck 1985 327s engine

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                    #10
                    flywheel

                    Do you remember the dia of the clutch disc/flywheel ?, 228mm is standard b20 . Now as far a I remember m5 clutch is 240mm dia . That would add more to the store. Joe
                    Last edited by Bmjpv; 04-09-2013, 03:55 PM.

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