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    How to tell if driveshaft is "bad"?

    Kind of cross-posting from a topic in the General forum regarding giubo orientation.

    I have a bit of a drivetrain buzz / vibration in the 3k-4k range or so, which is especially a problem because I mainly am driving on the highway not to mention it kills the driving experience.

    I searched and came back to the giubo subject in may discussions, though at times the symptoms of topic are at lower speed where my car feels relatively smooth.

    I only have a few thousand miles on my S50 swap - the motor and transmission are rebuilt, I used new standard rubber mounts everywhere and got the "OEM" giubo from Pelican, the driveshaft is out of the M3 with a new CSB (it was at the time of swap anyway), and goes to a 2.93lsd. Wheels are balanced and I have replaced the control arms and literally every piece of rubber in the suspension front and rear.

    I inspected my giubo today :



    On screen it might be tough to tell but, the arrow indicates my installation is wrong. Reading the instruction on how it should be, I knew that I hadn't noticed or heard how do it right when initially doing the swap.

    I haven't done too many miles with it like this and the rubber shows no signs of deterioration, only flash from manufacturing. I was expecting worse. Maybe I'll notice more when I adjust it. I'm wondering if the flex disc might have just softened enough over time to reach a point where it allows resonance despite not being cracked.

    I'm sure it won't last as long but I'll clock it correctly and give it a whirl, and report back. I'm hoping that I won't need to replace my driveshaft, maybe I killed the CSB? Maybe the centering sleeve is the issue? How can I tell if the u-joints are bad?

    Also - is that left side trans mount busted? I might have to get the UUC cups..

    #2
    Its in backwards. Looking at the pic the driveshaft turns counter clockwise. The output flange should push the thick rubber while spinning forward. The way you have it is literally tearing it apart..

    Yea those mounts are dry rotted. Get some 'thane

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      #3
      I realize now that it's not oriented correctly.

      I suppose I'll find out when I correct it, but I'm wondering if this wrong orientation could cause a vibration.

      I'd also like to check the driveshaft while I'm in there, but I don't know what to look for or how to tell that the driveshaft is ok or that it's bad.

      I heard urethane trans mounts are very iffy as far as the NVH, and I don't want to chance it. I suppose I should replace the E21 rubber mounts and put cups on them. But, I really need to sort out the driveline first.
      Last edited by butters; 10-22-2013, 10:18 AM.

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        #4
        If you re read my post i was explaining how the wrong orientation destroyed it.. Get a new one, put it in right and youre good to go.

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          #5
          My driveshaft was bad causing a vibration at around 3K rpm. I didn't know what was causing it until I removed my driveshaft for an unrelated issue and noticed that one of the joints was seized completely and the other was real stiff. I never would have known until unless I removed it. Just my two cents.

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            #6
            Was the driveshaft marked before it was taken apart when doing the swap?! if so, was it installed correctly as marked? If it wasn't it's not balanced then...

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              #7
              It was marked and I believe done properly by a friend who is a BMW tech at my local dealer. I had a couple thousand miles without this issue so I suspect u-joints over imbalance.

              I'll take a closer look at the driveshaft, and drop it from the trans and CSB since I have to correct the installation of my giubo anyway.

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                #8
                When you pull the drive shaft to fix the guibo, feel how the u-joints are. They should bend/rotate smoothly. If they are worn, they will be stiff and notchy. They should also have very little to no play in them as well.

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                  #9
                  CSB looks perfect. The marks for aligning the driveshaft are still visible and look correct. Giubo is corrected, wheels balanced (slight improvement) and u-joints have virtually no rotational play.

                  I'll be going back under to drop the shaft at the CSB and check it axially as well as the u-joint smoothness, and my (E28 green) motor mounts.

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