Which aftermarket selector rod?

[328ijunkie]

Most of the time it comes down to properly rebuilding the shifter, I don't run dssr's on 99% of the swaps I do and they all have extremely tight shifters including rigged g260 setups.
The difference between the akg and Uuc will be negligible although I prefer akg over Uuc 1000 times over for a number of reasons.

[Wanganstyle]

Most of the time it comes down to properly rebuilding the shifter, I don't run dssr's on 99% of the swaps I do and they all have extremely tight shifters including rigged g260 setups.
The difference between the akg and Uuc will be negligible although I prefer akg over Uuc 1000 times over for a number of reasons.

Agreed. No need to play r3vtard with aftermarket parts when stock parts work very very very well. Too many R3vtards concerned over the mod list more than properly setting up the car. We race with a stock shifter.

Solid engine mounts 24v/ZF5 - 0 missed shifts in around 35hrs of racing.

The main slop points are the $1 piece of foam in the selector rod knuckle and the plastic ball socket. Replace them and have good mounting so the driveline does not move.

Instruct driver to not destroy car and drive smoothly.

It also helps that our gearbox is happy; no shifter will solve angry gearbox.

Weighted lever or shiftknob is interesting but not really needed; in an endurance race a heavy shift knob is actually annoying to push.

[Rugbyfan]

Agreed. No need to play r3vtard with aftermarket parts when stock parts work very very very well. Too many R3vtards concerned over the mod list more than properly setting up the car. We race with a stock shifter.

Solid engine mounts 24v/ZF5 - 0 missed shifts in around 35hrs of racing.

The main slop points are the $1 piece of foam in the selector rod knuckle and the plastic ball socket. Replace them and have good mounting so the driveline does not move.

Instruct driver to not destroy car and drive smoothly.

It also helps that our gearbox is happy; no shifter will solve angry gearbox.

Weighted lever or shiftknob is interesting but not really needed; in an endurance race a heavy shift knob is actually annoying to push.

While I agree with everything you said, this will be 100% a street driven car. That being said, I just have a preference to extremely tight/no play shifters. Even on shifters where everything was replaced 100% new OEM they still did not feel as good as my plain jane civic with 150k miles. I just don't think even a properly setup BMW is anything to write home about. to each there own. I don't think its "r3vtarded" to spend 4 years with a car and think, "meh I want something tighter". That hardly constitutes "being concerned over the mod list"

[MyE30]

Previously being a Honda guy myself I understand your civic example. If you take a look at the shift linkage, even on a old base model civics (non-cable shifters), by way of design they are double shear from factory; metal to metal from the gearshift joint all the way to the shift lever.

In terms of parts, in your BMW application and your civic example you speak of the designs are fairly similar. Perhaps the foam in the gearshift joint is weak link in the BMW application that may solve your problem. Of course, that's if you haven't looked into it already.

Also, I pulled this troubleshooting step off the last page for UUC's instructions for their EVO3 short shifter. It may or may not help you.

Shifter feels loose:
1. Make sure primary pivot clip is in groove. If shifter can be pulled up more than 2mm, the clip is out of place. See page 13.
2. Check that lower pivot bearing liners have been installed. See page 14.

[Rugbyfan]

Thanks for the suggestion but standing under the car (on lift), its painfully obvious that all of the play is from the selector rod. I'm not interested in saving cash (within reason), I just want a shifter that has minimal play. AKG ordered.

[agent]

I don't think its "r3vtarded" to spend 4 years with a car and think, "meh I want something tighter". That hardly constitutes "being concerned over the mod list"

It's not. He likes to throw that pet word of his around a bit too much.

[Rugbyfan]

It's not. He likes to throw that pet word of his around a bit too much.

I figured. its R3vtarded to suggest running solid engine mounts on a street car.

[Wanganstyle]

I figured. its R3vtarded to suggest running solid engine mounts on a street car.

It's r3vtard to not read the context of a message; this is an actual race car with billet mounts and stock shifter.

Nowhere are billet mounts suggested or the need implied; that's what we had to use as they were $0.

Stock shifter works good enough for actual fullraze use; if one is having problems shifting with a stock shifter setup then the driver lack of skill or poor quality junkyard transmission will be the primary culprit of problem.

Who the hell counts runtime hours on a street car?

[Rugbyfan]

Backhand 4th always, tranny is 99 with 42k miles and up to snuff.

Thanks for the help brah!

[pandaboo911]

I'm running stock selector rod, just replaced bushings with delrin and it's tight as fuck.
He's just trying to save you $300.

Just to add, also race in lemons/chump car, and we don't use a DSSR because you will miss shifts. It's easier to shift with some slop, especially with rubber tranny mounts. Granted if you don't want any play, just get a gated shifter and call it a day.

[AndrewBird]

If you think BMW shifters are bad, jump into a VW. There are points in the shift linkage that are literally not even connected, just a piece of metal pushing on piece of plastic. No direct connection.

[TimKninja]

If you think BMW shifters are bad, jump into a VW. There are points in the shift linkage that are literally not even connected, just a piece of metal pushing on piece of plastic. No direct connection.

Agreed. Try feeling any MK3 /Mk4 shifter, they suck . SO bad.

This is what you do, and what I recommend.In order of Importance

-Delrin Shift carrier bushings, the BIGGEST source of play on any E30 with over 150k. Only use delrin. Nothing else. dont even think about that stupid Rubber bushing.
-New Selector knuckle, the peice of plastic in there explodes.
-New shifter, the bottom Ovals out and causes play. z3 1.9 is proven and everyone whos ever drive my car loves it
-delrin Rear carrier bushing, or just get an all new rear carrier.
-all new washers and clips and bullshit.
-new/poly trans mounts.
-I also reccomend a new selector rod. Their known to break. Save yourself from being broken down and buy a new one from BMW for $40.

I did this to my 318is that had 275k on all the original parts, the center console was broken because you had to move it to get it into reverse. It was INCREDIBLE the difference. Best shifter ive ever had in any car. granted Ive only had Manual BMWs. Ive driven many cars and ill say Honda does a really good job with their shifters.

With the ZF you have to use some E36 stuff and the shifter tends to sit lower. I liked the feel of my old 318is shifter over my current shifter in my S50/Zf car.