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    My 3.2 stroker project.

    I'm currently running a 2.5 M50 TU (Vanos) in my E30.

    Mods:
    E36 M3 cams - Cams only. Springs and retainers are still stock.
    Jim C Chip for the Cams.
    Lukas Motors intake
    96+ Tublar exhaust manifolds
    No cats
    E30 Super Sprint Exhaust
    Adjustable Fuel Pressure regulator.


    My 3.2 block arrived last week. My plans are obviously to swap the 3.2 block into the car. What challenges can I expect? Are there any small issues I will encounter when replacing my 2.5 block with the 3.2 block? Sensors? Oil or coolant passages? What tasks should I tackle while this swap is being done?


    My current plans:

    Install E36 M3 valve springs and retainers in my M50 head to bring it up to M3 spec. [I have all the parts already.]

    Install Euro 3.5 HFM and bigger injectors. Install proper software. [I will need software and injectors.]

    Replace head gasket with AA heat gasket in preparation for boost at a later date. [I will need the headasket.]

    Replace oil pan gasket, and front and rear main seals. [I will need the seals and gasket.]

    Clip oil pump nut so it does not fall off (common problem on E36 6 cyl engines).

    Replace clutch and flywheel (currently running m20 flywheel and clutch) with stock E36 flywheel and clutch. [I will need the clutch.]

    Replace spark plugs, intake manifold gaskets, knock sensores, and valve cover gasket. [Need all parts]

    Uninstall AC system. Sell parts on eBay.

    Cut off supersprint system and weld on straight pipes so I have a completely open exhaust system with no restriction at all.


    Am I overlooking anything? The goal at the end of this is to have a fire breathing OBD1 3.2 S52 engine in my e30 complete with open exhaust, OBD 1 intake manifold, 3.5" HFM, injectors, software, and intake.


    The only potential challenges I know of at this time:


    Coolant Pipe Fitting
    Apparently I will need to keep the rubber M50 piece and take off the metal S52 piece which will require buying the adaptor for $25 from Active Auto.

    Temp sensor on the head
    Apparently the OBD1 engine has two temp sensors while the OBD2 engine has one. However, this should not be an issue since I am reusing my M50 head.

    Crank/Trigger sensor
    I will apparently need to reuse my crank pulley and trigger wheel from my m50 on the S52 block and install the OBD1 sensor in the OBD1 position. The S52 block should have a spot for it in the casting.

    Valve train
    While I plan to upgrade to the M3 springs and retainers, I do not have the M3 lifters or lifter trays. I saw a thread on BFc where Stu McHenery advised getting the M3 lifters and lifter trays to save weight and allow for higher revving. He went on to say that this would ensure safe revving to 7,400 RPM. However, I only plan to rev this thing to 7k. Therefore do you guys think I'll be ok with the M3 cams, springs, and retainers so should I really invest in the lifters and lifter trays? If upgrading to these lifter trays is really only necessary for revving past 7k, I think I'll skip this step. However, if not having these lifters would limit the performance of the engine, I might as well pick them up.


    Other then the above, everything should be pretty straightforward correct?


    Finally, I still am not sure if this is something I will attempt to tackle myself or if I will hire a tech to do it for me. A friend of mine says that since the car has vanos, a special tool is required and he does not think we could handle the swap ourselves.

    Who here has done a head gasket or engine work on a Vanos M50/M52. Is this something a 2 or 3 wrench hack (myself) and a rookie BMW tech (my friend) could handle or am I better off having a master tech do this stuff for $40 an hour?
    2004 SL600 - Current
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    2006 SL55 AMG - Sold
    2004 M3 SMG - Sold
    1999 540i Sport - Sold :(
    1989 325i coupe- Sold
    1988 325is M50 M-tec - Sold :(

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    I guess I also need to decide ASAP how much boost I want to run.

    If I want to run 8 psi, it appears a stock head gasket will be fine.

    However, if I want to run 12 PSI or more, I should probably invest in the AA head gasket, studs, and spacer kit.

    I'm leaning towards just running 8 psi. I imagine close to 400hp will be more then enough to scare the shit out of me. Besides, I want this thing to be somewhat reliable.

    A friend has a 700hp Supra and he has to constantly worry about how much throttle he gives it as too much will send the damn car spinning even with 315 tires on the rear.
    2004 SL600 - Current
    ------------------------
    2006 SL55 AMG - Sold
    2004 M3 SMG - Sold
    1999 540i Sport - Sold :(
    1989 325i coupe- Sold
    1988 325is M50 M-tec - Sold :(

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      #3
      I'm pretty sure the lifters were the same for all E36 M50/S50/M52/S52. I pulled my trays and lifters out of a '99 dual vanos 2.8L Z3 head.
      -Brandon
      '86 325es S50
      '12 VW GTI Autobahn DSG
      '03 540i M-Sport (sold)
      '08 Jeep SRT-8 (sold)

      For sale:
      S50 TMS chip for Schricks

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        #4
        give me your a/c.
        91 m3

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          #5
          Originally posted by 325Projectz View Post
          give me your a/c.
          Originally posted by 325Projectz
          don't listen to the diagram... listen to mr. swiss.
          :nice:

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            #6
            That list covers all of the issues that you will have. You can buy the BMW tools off ebay to set up the vanos from ZDMAK.

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              #7
              The whole head gasket job isnt that huge of a deal. Time consuming but not a huge deal. Go buy the e36 bently and the tools and youll be fine.
              -Chris

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                #8
                Be careful lukas. I think you will be fine with an 8psi setup. I have 7.5psi in my 3.5L and i'm not sacrificing any DRIVABILITY, which I think is a concern of yours. Trust me, when you get on the throttle, you WILL feel it, and all will revel in it's wonder and say, "it is good".

                Unless you want to either kill yo'self or severely damage your car (which is what i did), then go for it :)
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                  #9
                  9psi on a 3.2L is insanely fun in a piggish E36 (huge ICE install), I can't imagine what it would be like in an E30. It would spin 265's in 2nd, and if you went over a pebble in 3rd it would step sideways.

                  Don't need to go too far to have a lot of fun.

                  -Jay

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