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  • MPD47
    Advanced Member
    • Oct 2004
    • 135

    #1

    Another boring "no start" thread.

    Normally I hate posting for technical help as I see it as an admission that I'm stumped (which I can proudly say rarely happens, usually it's just frustration). However, right now I can admit I am stumped.

    Car WILL NOT start, turns over, has good spark on all 6 cylinders, has good compression on all 6 cylinders. Fuel pump will not turn on, fuel injectors do not fire. I can jump the fuel pump and turn it on manually and the injectors still do not fire. I'm not getting a ground signal from the DME. I've swapped the DME to another ('92 NV) car and it runs absolutely fine.

    '92 M50NV swap, '89 325i Chassis.
    Tested and confirmed x20/c101 connector is good
    Tested and confirmed Bosch 402 DME
    No connectors were pulled off during the swap other than the DME and MAF, checked for bent pins, NONE.
    Ran a separate ground to the DME just to make sure that wasn't the issue.
    Injectors do not fire
    Fuel pump does not turn on (no signal to relay)

    There must be something STUPID easy I've missed, but I'll admit I'm a bit stumped on this and would like a second opinion. Any help is appreciated.
    -Mike
  • e30s52
    R3V Elite
    • Oct 2007
    • 5235

    #2
    are you saying that the new dme will run the car. if thats the case why not just use that one?

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    • Mr.SWISS
      E30 Fanatic
      • Nov 2005
      • 1251

      #3
      Got CEL?
      Originally posted by 325Projectz
      don't listen to the diagram... listen to mr. swiss.
      :nice:

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      • PiercedE30
        R3V Elite
        • Apr 2005
        • 4220

        #4
        Do you have the "Code" function on your OBC?
        My 2.9L Build!

        Originally posted by Ernest Hemingway
        There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.

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        • MPD47
          Advanced Member
          • Oct 2004
          • 135

          #5
          Zero CEL's. Flashes 1000 end code.
          -Mike

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          • MPD47
            Advanced Member
            • Oct 2004
            • 135

            #6
            Originally posted by e30s52
            are you saying that the new dme will run the car. if thats the case why not just use that one?
            No, I've swapped ECU's with a known good one on my other '92 NV car and it runs fine. My point being there is something unique to this car I've missed.
            -Mike

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            • PiercedE30
              R3V Elite
              • Apr 2005
              • 4220

              #7
              Check the OBC power control relay.

              Is the ECU even getting power when you turn on the key?
              My 2.9L Build!

              Originally posted by Ernest Hemingway
              There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.

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              • matt
                No R3VLimiter
                • Oct 2003
                • 3731

                #8
                How sure are you that its sparking? Other than the presence of spark, it sounds like a bad crank position sensor. Or an EWS issue, but that's not it.

                If you have a CEL with the key on and the engine off, the DME is getting power. If you don't have a CEL then, the ECU is not getting power, or has a software issue.

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                • Mr.SWISS
                  E30 Fanatic
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 1251

                  #9
                  Originally posted by matt
                  How sure are you that its sparking? Other than the presence of spark, it sounds like a bad crank position sensor. Or an EWS issue, but that's not it.

                  If you have a CEL with the key on and the engine off, the DME is getting power. If you don't have a CEL then, the ECU is not getting power, or has a software issue.
                  Thanks Matt. That is what I meant by got CEL, which was my problem when I built my E30M50NV. Check you DME relay socket for power and trace it back to the juction over the battery tray. Also did you peel back the insulation to make sure you didn't hook a hot up to the shock tower? all the small wires are black, but only one is a ground. Find the brown wire.
                  Originally posted by 325Projectz
                  don't listen to the diagram... listen to mr. swiss.
                  :nice:

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                  • MPD47
                    Advanced Member
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 135

                    #10
                    Originally posted by matt
                    How sure are you that its sparking? Other than the presence of spark, it sounds like a bad crank position sensor. Or an EWS issue, but that's not it.

                    If you have a CEL with the key on and the engine off, the DME is getting power. If you don't have a CEL then, the ECU is not getting power, or has a software issue.
                    100% sure it has spark. I've checked each individual coil pack with several plugs, and in a separate car (that starts and runs). Having another running '92 makes it easy to swap parts and confirm. I've got a 1000 code and the stomp test works when keyed on and the car off. The ONLY ground wire in the bundle near the strut tower is the one that goes to the same wire bundle as the diagnostic plug IIRC. Correct me if I'm wrong?
                    Last edited by MPD47; 05-26-2008, 05:29 AM.
                    -Mike

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                    • FredK
                      R3V OG
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 14739

                      #11
                      Yes. That is the only ground wire in that bundle. The other goes to the positive power block.

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                      • FredK
                        R3V OG
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 14739

                        #12
                        The engine ground is hooked up, right? The fat cable that goes from the engine mount to the chassis?

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                        • MPD47
                          Advanced Member
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 135

                          #13
                          Yep, have multiple hooked up. One on each side of the engine, and one in the back from the firewall to the head.
                          -Mike

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                          • FredK
                            R3V OG
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 14739

                            #14
                            Is the 89 325i a manual car?

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                            • MPD47
                              Advanced Member
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 135

                              #15
                              Yes sir. Originally m20 with getrag 5 speed.
                              -Mike

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