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  • MR 325
    Moderator
    • Oct 2003
    • 37824

    #1

    Things broke...

    Was doing some work on the car today, changed the output shaft seal. selector seal, selector rod joint, guibo, transmission fluid, differential fluid, and modified my shifter to sit correctly (finally after over a year).

    And THEN I discover something...

    Three out of four of the driver side engine mounting arm bolts are broken! Sheered off in the block. The fourth bolt is loosely hanging on to the block still, unharmed. What the fuck happened! My friend/boss is helping my fix it tomorrow but wtf mate, seriously. Anybody ever seen this? It's not like I have some high horsepower beast here.
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  • 318isbmw
    Moderator
    • Nov 2005
    • 2841

    #2
    Glad you noticed that. My only guess is the bolts weren't good ones, and since the 4th was loose put more pressure on them and sheered them off? Seems like a stretch, but never know. Other than that, I got no idea, just get all new and torque em all down is what I'd do.

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    • matt325is
      E30 Addict
      • Oct 2003
      • 409

      #3
      What was the torque on the bolts? If bolted too tight (arm torque wrench style), it may have plastically deformed the bolts (instead of elastic at a lower torque). Definitely could have weakened the bolt causing them to shear. Or maybe just a bad batch of bolts.

      matt

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      • MR 325
        Moderator
        • Oct 2003
        • 37824

        #4
        I'm sure I just tightened them with a 3/8 ratchet.
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        • gazellebeigem3
          No R3VLimiter
          • Jun 2005
          • 3712

          #5
          are/were they graded bolts?

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          • jahnaboi
            E30 Mastermind
            • Oct 2006
            • 1742

            #6
            Lol damn matt, your what? Pushing 1000hp with your n/a s50? LOL! Jk. Wow. Luckily you didn't drive the damn thing to the point where it fell and your oil pan would have to sit on your subframe and crack and save the rest of your motor...!!!

            SINdelle:E36 M3 5-Lug | 17x8 & 17x9 BBS RS | S52/ZF | 2.93LSD/3.5HFM/24lb Injectors/C&S Chip[B]SOLD[B]

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            • e30this
              No R3VLimiter
              • Dec 2007
              • 3580

              #7
              I had this happen. Lost 2 out of 4 on the passenger side.
              I dont know why it happend but it did.
              Was all of your bolts OEM or just off the shelf?

              I was lucky enough that when they broke it was just the heads of the bolts so I was able to get them out with vise grips.

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              • jahnaboi
                E30 Mastermind
                • Oct 2006
                • 1742

                #8
                This possibly could have happened if you torqued the motor mounts with the engine weight on them... possibly thinking that they were tight but were tight at all... so ahead you gave it a little more torque weakening the metal itself? Iono, just throwing out ideas.

                SINdelle:E36 M3 5-Lug | 17x8 & 17x9 BBS RS | S52/ZF | 2.93LSD/3.5HFM/24lb Injectors/C&S Chip[B]SOLD[B]

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                • Tree18is
                  R3VLimited
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 2703

                  #9
                  shifting like a fuckn beast wouldnt do it right?

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                  • MR 325
                    Moderator
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 37824

                    #10
                    I think they were actually brand new OEM bolts, if I remember right.

                    I'll put it back together tomorrow and hope it's good, lol.
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                    • MR 325
                      Moderator
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 37824

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tree18is
                      shifting like a fuckn beast wouldnt do it right?
                      Haha, no way!
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                      • MIKe30
                        R3VLimited
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 2334

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MR 325
                        I think they were actually brand new OEM bolts, if I remember right.

                        I'll put it back together tomorrow and hope it's good, lol.
                        There's got to be a reason it happened, and to more than one person. That idea of perhaps having put them on with the weight of the motor on it sounds like it would do it to me. If you just put new ones on the same way you did the old ones, it's bound to happen again.

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                        • madjurgen
                          E30 Fanatic
                          • May 2005
                          • 1203

                          #13
                          This is a very common issue with the MZ4s. To the point that all new owners are switching out the new BMW bolts for 10.8 grade bolts from McMaster or somewhere similar.

                          As time went on, the factory developed the car each year, making it faster, more comfortable, and capable of handling at higher speeds.
                          You don’t want this. You want the trickiest, most dangerous, oldest model you can find. Only then can you prove to the world that you’re a man.

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                          • MR 325
                            Moderator
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 37824

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MIKe30
                            There's got to be a reason it happened, and to more than one person. That idea of perhaps having put them on with the weight of the motor on it sounds like it would do it to me. If you just put new ones on the same way you did the old ones, it's bound to happen again.
                            Well when the arm was first put on it wasn't even in the car! When I put it back together yesterday, I had the car on the hoise and took the weight off the engine with a transmission jack.
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                            • BeirBrennerE30
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                              • Oct 2003
                              • 2740

                              #15
                              runs outside to check engine...
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