Paint issue.. repair options?

[Mr. Tasty]

Get single stage. They can also be a bit easier to work with than clear coat.

what he said, just use the least aggressive compound that you can get away with.

[Mr. Tasty]

I don't have experience restoring single stage paint but I have done so with anodized aluminum. What happens is if you cut and polish the oxidized layer, you effectively destroy the anodization. As a result, the aluminum would require monthly waxing and sealing, otherwise the oxidation will return weekly. Now if it was fresh from the factory, that oxidation would take 3 years to develop. But the point is the rate of oxidation/wear after the detailing is what I'm getting at...

that said, I'm wondering if the same principal is true for single stage paints.

I was planning to buy my next e30 with the original single stage paint because in my experience, resprays are expensive and tough to get right even if you throw 5 grand on it. However, if single stage can actually be restored to factory appearance and characteristics simply by slicing off the bad layer, it would be more worth it to me than a two stage paint job

No the paint has the same consistancy through all layers.

the bold section works.

[Vivek]

I was planning to buy my next e30 with the original single stage paint because in my experience, resprays are expensive and tough to get right even if you throw 5 grand on it. However, if single stage can actually be restored to factory appearance and characteristics simply by slicing off the bad layer, it would be more worth it to me than a two stage paint job

Get single stage. They can also be a bit easier to work with than clear coat.

[bmwstephen]

depends in the quality of respray. If it is a Maaco job, it will be worse than BMW paint and it will also be softer.

I don't have experience restoring single stage paint but I have done so with anodized aluminum. What happens is if you cut and polish the oxidized layer, you effectively destroy the anodization. As a result, the aluminum would require monthly waxing and sealing, otherwise the oxidation will return weekly. Now if it was fresh from the factory, that oxidation would take 3 years to develop. But the point is the rate of oxidation/wear after the detailing is what I'm getting at...

that said, I'm wondering if the same principal is true for single stage paints.

I was planning to buy my next e30 with the original single stage paint because in my experience, resprays are expensive and tough to get right even if you throw 5 grand on it. However, if single stage can actually be restored to factory appearance and characteristics simply by slicing off the bad layer, it would be more worth it to me than a two stage paint job

[Vivek]

vivek,

in your experience fixing single stage, will the level of oxidation return at a rate faster than if it the paint was freshly painted from the factory

I don't have much experience with this to be honest, but I would say yes (slightly) it will because the paint has been damaged over 20+ years, but that it's definitely not worth it to get it repainted for this reason.

[Mr. Tasty]

vivek,

in your experience fixing single stage, will the level of oxidation return at a rate faster than if it the paint was freshly painted from the factory

depends in the quality of respray. If it is a Maaco job, it will be worse than BMW paint and it will also be softer.

[Mr. Tasty]

My zinno isn't clear coated, and it is original paint.


All paints and clears oxidize, it is just how much care you are willing to put into it to slow it down as vivek said.

[bmwstephen]

vivek,

in your experience fixing single stage, will the level of oxidation return at a rate faster than if it the paint was freshly painted from the factory

[Vivek]

Isn't all zinno cleared? And brillantrot is single stage?

but just to be clear. if a single stage is oxidized, once it is compounded, is that solution permanent or is the deterioration "skin-deep" to the point it can only be masked by regular detailing. I guess that's what I'm asking

It's not permanent. It will oxidize again, but wax (and sealants) can help to greatly slow it down.

Oxidation on clear coat also comes back...but it can definitely be fixed so long as the clear isn't peeling.
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[bmwstephen]

but just to be clear. if a single stage is oxidized, once it is compounded, is that solution permanent or is the deterioration "skin-deep" to the point it can only be masked by regular detailing. I guess that's what I'm asking

[Mr. Tasty]

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/29134-how-remove-water-spots-hand.html

I personally love this site as a detailer. That link will give you a general idea of the types of water spots and how to get rid of them.



edit: just realized you aren't the original poster


this is my recently cut single stage zinno

[Mr. Tasty]

so when people tell me that they can fix it by cutting, buff and polish out oxidation. is the oxidation pretty much throughout every layer of the single stage paint?

Oxidation for clear coats vs single stage are different. You can use a very light compound for single stage and make a load of a difference. Generally, you want to use the least cut for single stage, as it implies, is just a layer of paint. The pads used with cutting will turn the color of your paint, in your case red.


Oxidation for clear coats are usually more stubborn, and most of the time irreversible.

[bmwstephen]

nope, one of the down falls of single stages.

so when people tell me that they can fix it by cutting, buff and polish out oxidation. is the oxidation pretty much throughout every layer of the single stage paint?

[Mr. Tasty]

but this simply masks the solution correct? is there no permanent solution?

nope, one of the down falls of single stages.

[Mr. Tasty]

Repainted cars are often clear coated, so we have no idea whether or not that thing is still single stage.

That said, I would not expect a permanent solution short of new paint.

there is a difference between water marks on a single stage and clear coat. The water mark damage appears to be on a single stage.