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    #16
    I have been a stereo installer for more than 20 years and worked as a stereo installer in shops from 1990 to 95. Back in the late 80's early 90's cars were in need of a better stereo and it was a pretty new thing. Every teenager wanted a booming stereo. I was always technically minded and loved to tinker with cars so I started installing stereos. It was kind of learn as you go. I would always be the guy to put in one of my buddy's stereo because we were too broke to afford a shop to do it. I got noticed by a local shop for some of my installs and offered me a job as a "real" stereo installer. I worked for crap pay and crap work. Install a deck and two speakers. It was volume that would make you money. Deck and two. Alarms - door locks, starter cut and light flash. Quick in and get out. After a year I got really bored at my work, I wasn't being creative anymore. I went on my own, opened a shop and did Custom Installs. Got featured in Car Audio Mag in 1994 and 1995 with two different cars. Competed in IASCA shows, won Best of Show several times and got recognition. At first the money was all right. What did I know? It was the most I ever made at that time. I started competing in IASCA car audio shows I was winning respect and clients. At the boom, I was making a decent income but at a cost. I was working long hours, little sleep and always trying to create something new. One night I was working late and I realized that I was doing this with no end. I was lying there contorted underneath a dash looking at the underside of a steering column when it hit me. Is this what I wanted to do when I hit 40? Hell what about 30? If it wasn't, I'd better make a change before I get stuck. At the end of 1998 I dropped my tools, went back to University, got a degree and an office job. Now I make more than I ever did as an installer in the best of days. Holidays, Full Benefits, and Raises. Commission? What's that?
    So I guess to summarize my rambling, if you are in it for the money - forget it. If you are passionate of car audio and love working on cars and electronics - you have a chance. Otherwise I think it is like a job for a teenager, young adult that need money for college or is not sure what they want to do with their lives and need a job. I still, to this day, still do custom installs, at home, in my shop, on the weekends, tinkering here and there. But now it is a hobby. I still got the bug. But it's not the way I want to make a living.
    And all through the days as an installer, I never got a piece of paper MECP or otherwise. I took pictures of my installs, including the wiring and work in progress. That was my resume and that was how I sold customers. I have a huge photo book of my installs from all sorts of cars and trucks. My work, my reputation and my respect of their cars brought me my clients. I lived by certain rules. Always work in their cars as if it was your own. Respect their car, if you can't respect their AMC Gremlin, don't work on it. I was never that desperate. Never steal their loose change, if you find change, put it in their cup holder. Never, Never talk trash about other shops, installers or clients. It's a small world and it gets around.

    I hope these two bits helps.

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      #17
      holy fuck. That was your first post? You are the fucking man. You get an award! How did you end up on this crap forum filled with pizza stain style threads?

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        #18
        please dont mention pizza stain im still puking
        Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

        Originally posted by TimKninja
        Im more afraid of this thread turning into one of those classic R3v moments, where Pizza gets delivered.

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          #19
          Originally posted by trent View Post
          holy fuck. That was your first post? You are the fucking man. You get an award! How did you end up on this crap forum filled with pizza stain style threads?
          :stupid:

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            #20
            Luke is the man...Always willing to help! You're awesome bro!
            Originally posted by Matt-B
            hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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              #21
              I figured I'd try to enlighten someone about the "real" world of stereo installation. I think it is a cool backyard hobby but making it a full time job putting deck and twos in, is a totally different thing. Besides, it puked snow here, I'm at work and it isn't really a busy day today!

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                #22
                Wowow, e30 s52 in Vancouver? Would your car happen to be maroon with RD exterior bits? I think I may have seen your car at CG a couple months- had a really nice stereo install.

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                  #23
                  Yes, the same one! Actually the Stereo is different from the one featured in August 1994 Car Audio as the Sponserships changed every year. The last one I did was in 95. I pulled out the gear when I put the car in storage. CG is a really good shop, I hope to get the car back in a few months. Can't wait to drive it with the new motor!

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by passdanachos View Post
                    I figured I'd try to enlighten someone about the "real" world of stereo installation.
                    you must have not read my giant post about the "real world" of installation...I have (and still am) been a professional installer since 1980. I wish I had gotten an education when I was young, before responsibilities became the trap that they have become.

                    So, like wow...that was your car with the 8's in the side panels? I remember that install...well, kind of. Seems you had an Alpine that you changed the colors on?

                    Luke

                    Closing SOON!
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                    Luke AT germanaudiospecialties DOT com or text 425-761-6450, or for quickest answers, call me at the shop 360-669-0398

                    Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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                      #25
                      No, sorry I haven't read your giant post on "real world" of installation, I'm pretty new to this forum but I will do a search on it. It's kinda nice to have people remember the car from ten years ago! At that time it had a pair of tens in the side panels, it obviously has been changed now. I will post pics. Yea, I changed the apine to red lights (they were only green back then) and I re-silkscreened the logos to reflect a BMW deck.
                      I had a couple of opportunities to sell the car but I couldn't get myself to do it. So I kept it in storage and recently I was wanting to drive it again (mid life crisis?) So I figured, it always looked like a fast car, but it was a 318is, so now it is getting a S52 motor put in it with Massive brakes, NOS and possibly a supercharger. I am leaning towards a VF Engineering Supercharger.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by passdanachos View Post
                        NI am leaning towards a VF Engineering Supercharger.
                        Active autowerk twin screw or ban :grin:

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by StereoInstaller1 View Post
                          DJ, I don't know where you got your info, but there are only about 20 certified "Master" installers in the entire industry.

                          None of them work for best buy. Or Circuit City, or Tweeter.

                          I am too lazy to certify at all, but I was part of the original MECP test program...back in 1987, '88. If you want more info, go to MECP's site. Take the online test, get the book (or I can if you want, about $50 plus shipping).

                          Very few serious installers work for a chain. All of us who are driven to make real performance installs work in small shops...generally for less money.

                          If you want to work in a shop like best buy, you need a pulse, some tools, and you can go apply. It is the best way to get your foot in the door.

                          Pay is shit, hours are shit, work ethic is non-existant. Keep in mind installers are nothing but a tool to make sales with. Important to the company? Sure...they need sales! If you work really hard you might make $30,00/yr, after 3 to 5 years.

                          I made $60,000 in 1985. In 1995, I made about $35,000...with more tools and more experience. Plus, a reputation up and down the entire west coast.

                          This industry is dying. Let me tell you the top few reasons. Climb into a bone stock E30M3. Roll the windows down, cruise down the freeway at 70. You can barely tell what song is playing on your casette, right? I mean really, they sound like crap.

                          That was one of the best factory stereos of its day.

                          Then, go to your local Kia dealer. Climb in their cheapest pile of crap and perform the same test...not too bad, huh? Clear sound (well, kind of) but decent performance...in a $6500 car. How many people replace that? Very few, let me tell you.

                          Decent sound comes with every car now. That is the #1 reason why our industry is dying.

                          Combine that with the fact that the general impression is that the installer is gonna make your car rattle from all of the missing screws, steal shit from your glovebox, copy your key and go to rob you, PLUS if you want an aftermarket stereo you have to spend billions of dollars to "Pimp Your Ride", or so people think. You would be amazed at what people say to me, much less what they say behind my back. Believe me, I don't look like a "hood".

                          I have been a professional installer since 1980. I have also been trying to get out since 1982...but I love what I do. Even though I am in pain all day, every day, I fucking LOVE my work. Ask anyone who has watched me work, I twist my fat ass in positions you cannot imagine a bald old fuck like me doing, then stay there and wire shit! Many times tears roll down my face because my muscles burn so bad just from crimping wires. I am sitting with a heat pad on my back as I type this, just so I can sleep tonight.

                          To make all of this worse, I am planning on opening a trade school! I wanna teach others to install in an attempt to keep my beloved industry alive.

                          Believe me, I can go on for hours on this topic. I am easily the most experienced installer in the entire state of oregon. One of the most experienced in the world...certainly top 100, if not top 50. If you want, call me at my shop number sunday morning, about 10:30 pacific time. I would be glad to tell you a bunch about this industry, and maybe you will understand why I love it so much.

                          Even after 26 years.

                          Luke Fisher
                          541-747-1171
                          all truth. i have a few good friends who made a decent living back in the day, and are now struggling to pay their bills. i try and bring every1 i know to their shop, as well as my own car, even if i can do it myself, i would hate to see them have to close their own shop to work for some1 else.
                          IG: @Baye30

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