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    #16
    I'll answer this from the speaker maker side. Be prepared for a book. hah.

    The resonance of a speaker around 6.5" generally hovers around 70 hertz (give or take 20hz). Now, when you hit the resonance of a speaker, it moves the farthest distance at this point. This is where the parts of the speaker are stretched.

    There is a limiting factor on all [decently designed] speakers to keep them from destroying their self. The limiting factor is usually one of two things. The first is the suspension system (the damper is the main factor in this which is the circular part underneath the cone and above the magnet) and the second is the magnetic strength.

    What generally happens is the suspension is considered linear when it only moves a small distance (say 0.5 mm each direction). As the distance is increased, the suspension resistance increases (a bell curve). Think of a progressive increasing spring rate. As the speaker moves a greater distance, the suspension gets tighter and restricts this distance.

    The other method is magnetic strength (bl as it is known in my world). The magnetic strength is only contained in a small area (relatively), and just like the suspension, the magnetic strength falls off in the bell curve method as you move the speaker more away from the center position.

    These can be counteracted to a point by a few ways (if one chooses to remove the limits that protect the speaker which will cause your voice coil to smack and cause nasty sound and destruction) including partly rubber dampers (just like the cone, it has a rubber roll edge) and "longer" magnetic fields.

    Also, when you hit this resonance frequency, harmonic distortions go through the roof, relatively speaking. At 1w, you'll usually hit 1%-5% (of the SPL) total distortion at the resonance and nearby the resonance, while the other frequencies may see a max of 0.5%. This distortion is what you hear as the crap coming from your sound system.

    So basically, when you remove this resonance frequency (or at least cut the amount of production at this point down), you're removing A LOT of the limitations of your speaker.

    Tweeters are entirely different.. They have no protection due to the fact they have no suspension nor magnetic strength limiting. They are missing these features because if it had them, the reproduction of 20kHz would be very difficult and inaccurate.

    Some further explanation:
    This resonance frequency causes the highest movement in the speaker which also yields the highest SLP of the speaker. Subwoofers have resonance frequencies very low. This low resonance is what allows you to get so much for your buck and the distortions are no longer a problem since the human ear has a hard time telling the difference between distortion and correct reproduction as the frequency drops, until you can no longer hear actual reproduction but just the distortion.

    If I had a curve to display all of this, it would be a lot easier to understand, but alas, I'm not at work.

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      #17
      It is still all about the high pass...think of this, that same Raven R3 tweeter (oooOOOoooh yeah baby!) attempting to run full range will handle maybe 10 watts, but using a 18db/oct high pass @ 4Khz, it will handle 100 WRMS, easy.

      Basically, in any transducer, lower frequencies = more energy.

      Closing SOON!
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        #18
        Originally posted by StereoInstaller1 View Post
        It is still all about the high pass...think of this, that same Raven R3 tweeter (oooOOOoooh yeah baby!) attempting to run full range will handle maybe 10 watts, but using a 18db/oct high pass @ 4Khz, it will handle 100 WRMS, easy.

        Basically, in any transducer, lower frequencies = more energy.
        Lol, for some dumb reason I thought you were comparing them w/o taking in the consideration high order crossovers :)
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          #19
          Originally posted by Jean View Post
          Lol, for some dumb reason I thought you were comparing them w/o taking in the consideration high order crossovers :)
          Originally posted by StereoInstaller1 View Post
          Paralysis by analysis

          Closing SOON!
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          Luke AT germanaudiospecialties DOT com or text 425-761-6450, or for quickest answers, call me at the shop 360-669-0398

          Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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            #20
            Thanks for clarification. And lol at paralysis by analysis. I was thinking of frequency of the signal, not the actual speaker. Good stuff to know.

            Off topic, what do you think of JL block amps? Someone told me that they're good because they actually operate at their RMS rating. True? Can you recommend a similar or better quality amp for the price? BTW, I'm thinking of the mono block one.

            There should be a "Ask Luke shit" thread.

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              #21
              Luke is DA MAN round here!



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                #22
                Oh ya...forgot to say. My budget system is up and "pounding" :D

                Most of the bass stays in the car so that's kind of good for those people who "dont wanna be disturbed" at the intersections.

                Thnx for the advises guys & Luke



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