I want a Turbo'd M10!!! check it out...

[Guest]

okay. so ive been working and workin on this F'n:curse: car for so long now and i finnally got it together enough to turbo. i need help on drawing out exactly what i need. im pulling the engine out to start polishing it. i will not be forging or boring anything i want it as thick as possible for reliability. i do however need new piston heads and arms. any suggestions? i will be fabricating cutom intake and stuff and hope to use aluminum. i dont know whats best tho. i know "good n tight" has an awesome setup thats i would love to duplicate (great work man, alot of us M10's appreciate what you do!). i want do things as cheap as possible.

i really like what most of you guys have done out there! what am i going to spend? what problems will i most likely face? i need to be prepared lol. also i would like to get it done within 4 months. if you guys can just hlep me out out a lil' and walk me through this long and hard path it will be greatly appreciated!!!


oh and by the way, im not a complete dummy with BMW engines. i have rebuilt plenty BMW's and Ben'z but never added anything to them. lol, not to be cocky or anything, i just hate when people respond like im a F'n idiot. lol, thanks again guys.

[lovemy318]

anybody? lol

[Pinepig]

Good & Tights motor has a cam and forged pistons, that's it nothing else. My motor is completely stock except for a metal headgasket and I'm right in the 300hp range.

Plan on dropping at least 3k for your parts ( and that's on the cheap ) if you can't fab any of it on your own. I have about 1600 into turning my M10 forced induction and I made everything ( manifold, downpipe, intercooler, piping )

As far as I know nobody makes a "kit" and mucho research must be done on your part or you won't learn shit. Folks can tell you a formula to follow and it will work but if ANYTHING doesn't go exactly as planned you'll be stuck and looking for someone to hold your hand, sometimes this does not happen in a timely manner ( how long has you post been here with no answer? ).

Start digging around the net, there is tons of useful info ( haven't had a chance to dig deep here yet ) on the 2002faq, E30tech, bimmerforums for BMW specific info and honda-tech for more general forced induction information. A good primer is the book by Corky Bell called maximum boost, some of it is a bit out dated but a good solid base to work off of. You need to be an information sponge with the search engine before you ask the any questions.

Good luck.

[lovemy318]

well its been up here for a few weeks since before you came along. thanks for the info... im trying to get in touch with somebody that can weld so i can use their help since i dont have a welder. i want to fabricate it all myself hopefully but if not ill be buying as cheap as possible. i really dont have 3k and im really penny pinchin. if anybody can help please do. im doin this whole car over (again) with paint and interior as well. im trying to pull out the motor as we speak.

[vivalegreg]

you sound like a uti student...

your first priority is to kinda set up a game plan of some sort...if you are trying to do it cheap and right id suggest focusing all your money on one thing ie performance before lets say, paint or interior. if you want reliability you want to get forged internals (crank, rods, pistons, cam, valves). im not an expert on this subject but i know from knowledge and from what i see people do (and i go to uti) that if your running forced inductions especially with high boost forged is the way to go...reason being is because it can withstand higher temperatures and a built engine puts out a lot of heat. if you just slap a turbo on a stock m10 engine, even after a rebuild, your probably gonna throw a rod, burn a whole in your piston, or something else catastrophic.

bmw 2002 tii's have the same block as the m10, but their internals are different. they are forged because the tii's were turbo...get the bottom end from that (one in good shape) and you should be ok..make sure you put new rings on the pistons, polish everything up....get a good cam, and get the head worked well too..of course before you do any of this blueprint the motor so you know what you are trying to shoot for.


research this site and see what others have done with their cars and thatll give you a better idea what to shoot for, sure most of them arent m10 engines but its still the same basic principal, a turbo bmw. make sure you have a good engine management system too....


its gonna be hard , really hard to do this all if you dont have atleast 3k, or know a friend who knows his/her shit that can help you out

[lovemy318]

well how about i just get forged rods and pistons? i just pulled out my motor today. heres some pics on this site.http://www.unofficialbmw.com/phpBB/v...=179684#179684

[lovemy318]

okay, so im almost done rebuilding this thing. i just need help with the timing.... im lost? i dont even know why. like how to line up the crank, cam, and dizzy

[hendrixvodu]

im planning on doing a similar project over the winter....im just going to use a small 8lbs turbo off a TDI ...rebuild the engine and bump up all the seals...and keep the stock internals..from what i gather it should be fine...ill probably only make as much as a stock 325...but its enough for me...i dont know how much power you want...and ive been told in the timing department...as long as you are not running crazy HP you should be fine because of the actual timing setup that the car has? "correct me if i am not right"

and also if you are in the market for the pistons....this company seems pretty good:

JE 2618 Alloy Low Expansion Forged Piston Sets WITH wrist pins AND Total-Seal rings.

4 cylinder set. Any bore size or compression ratio for 1600,E12,E21,121,E30 $695.00 **

http://www.racetep.com/bmwngin.html#je

not a bad price....

[hendrixvodu]

and doesnt the timing auto set since it doesn't have points??????

[lovemy318]

well it is a vaccum advance dizzy but i still need to do some more tuning to it. i just dont know how. thanks for the info tho.

also, trust me, once you get that turbo setup your gonna be amazed at how that turbo works and your gonna want to experiment. it shouldnt be a problem tho. i know plenty of folks that push up to 20psi on a stock m20.
the M10 is way more sturdy than any other 6 cyl.

just make sure you keep it in a lower compression. getting a thicker headgasket will do it. also keep the oil changed ever 1,500 miles. im pretty sure you know all this stuff right?


what ecu are you looking towards?

[hendrixvodu]

i dont know the # off the top of my head...but i have the 85 one...i also have an 84 engine in my current car...but im building the 85 because its out of the car....

[Turf1600]

You going to turbo the black car? Run Megasquirt and edis.

[lovemy318]

got my shit back together and DAMN it pulls so hard!!!! it totaly ridiculous!
thanks to psloan, i just put my 2002 block back in my shitty 318 and dont ask me how but i got rid of the rev limiter.

i adjusted the afm to limit it @ 7.5k and its amazing. more tuning to the afm tho. im not sure how this sucker got so quik. i might have the fastest m10 on earth.

ok so im still gonna boost this bad boy. now i gotta get this hx35 from my friend who lives too damn far, then i have to fab the mani.

omg im so proud of myself!

[hendrixvodu]

got my shit back together and DAMN it pulls so hard!!!! it totaly ridiculous!
thanks to psloan, i just put my 2002 block back in my shitty 318 and dont ask me how but i got rid of the rev limiter.

i adjusted the afm to limit it @ 7.5k and its amazing. more tuning to the afm tho. im not sure how this sucker got so quik. i might have the fastest m10 on earth.

ok so im still gonna boost this bad boy. now i gotta get this hx35 from my friend who lives too damn far, then i have to fab the mani.

omg im so proud of myself!

shit!!!!!!!!!!! does just putting the 02 block on do that? or what did you do...and how do you adjust the air flow meter???????

[lovemy318]

i dunno! i thought that it wouldnt rev as high as the 1.8 simply cuz the 2002 block is heavier. im not sure tho.

also i put in the 4.10 LSD yesterday. its awesome. a lil too high but i can work with it. it makes drifting a breeze. i never thought i could get both tires to spin like they do. i got quik accel too! i did 0-60 in about 8 seconds. mind you this thing is stock.

you should really remove those ide controll valves. mines starts quik and easy. i got it to idle at 650RPM smoothly. no knockin, tickin, or pops of anysort. i adjusted the timing by ear. it revs up pretty quik too. not sluggish like the 1.8

i adjust the AFM by turning the spindle to the right and giving it greater tension. it'll sputter if i left it stock. im probably not gonna get the megasquirt till later on. ill just mount up the trubo and probably give it about 1-2psi boost. just to add 10-20HP by relieving the engines work of having to pull in air.