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    Running Issue!!!

    Car is a 1987 325e

    Alright, so I have been trying to figure this out for a month now, and it is about time to get some other peoples opinions. The car runs fine as it warms up. Once the car is warm, while driving at a constant throttle or off idle during acceleration, the car will hesitate very badly. If you push the clutch in, rev it a couple times, then slip the clutch with high revs you will get a slight to big back fire. After a bit of that the car will end up just dying completely. It started out as a very slight hesitation, and for quite some time it was like that. So I didn't really worry about it. Then it just got so bad I couldn't drive it. Oh and the O2 sensor had been replaced about a month before this issue started. I don't think it has any relevance to the issue as it runs the same whether the O2 is plugged in or not.

    Here is everything I've checked in order.

    Fuel Filter and plugs- Had a ton of water in it, replaced. Plugs were super lean, hadn't been replaced in awhile so I went ahead and replaced them.
    Drained Tank- Very little water in it. So went on to check the fuel pump. It was fine.
    Checked rotor and distributor cap. Rotor was fine, distributor cap was pitted. I filled it down and put it back on. I didn't ohm it out at this time.
    Ohmmed the reference sensor and speed sensor. Both were on the high side, around 1250 and 1300 so I went ahead and replaced them. Still didn't fix the problem.
    I had another ECU for this car that was chipped, and I knew was okay. I swapped them and still had the problem.
    Checked the plugs again. This time they were very rich. Was running great until it got up to running temp then the problem would start again.
    Checked the coolant temp switch and sensor. Both were fine.
    Checked all the intake sensors and looked for vacuum leaks. No issue's were found with any of the sensor or vacuum lines.
    Ohmmed out the ignition coil, it was fine. Had doubts though whether it was breaking down once it warmed up. So I went ahead and replaced it.
    That still didn't fix the problem.
    Checked for a leak at the cam for the rotor/distributor. No leak, decided to go ahead and ohm out the rotor and cap for the hell of it. Rotor ohmmed out fine, cap didn't. Was consistently 10k to 30k ohms, a couple poles didn't even have continuity, so I went ahead and replace that cap.

    That still didn't fix the issue but the car was running stronger will it was still cold.

    Checked fuel pressure next. I put the gauge inline at the cold start injector. Fuel pressure was 129. I clamped down the line after the fuel regulator and the pressure came up to just under 150. I figured the regulator was bad so I went ahead and replaced it. Took it out again.

    It ran great for a minute once it was warm, but I was flogging it. I then decided I needed to drive it like I would and traffic, and it started doing it all over again. I looked at the cold start injector to see if it was wet, or weeping, and it wasn't. Oh, and the plugs are wet across the board. They all look the same.

    That is where I am now. Tomorrow I am going to check the fuel pressure again to see if it is still low. If it is, I guess I am going to check the injectors? I don't see how they could all be equally leaking unless the control unit was telling them to stay open longer for some reason. There are no leaks in the system to cause it to be low.

    I'm really at a loss right now. I think I have been thinking about it to much and am trying to back up and look at things from the beginning. If anyone has any ideas, or think I need to double check something, ppplllleeeassssee tell me. Thanks.

    #2
    it sounds like you've checked just about everything in motronic.

    So its probably a vacuum leak of some kind.


    The complete list of possible causes of an intake leak is:

    Intake boot
    Throttle body gasket
    ICV hoses & connections
    Brake booster, hoses, and connections
    Crank case breather hose
    Evaporative control hoses, valve, and expansion tank
    Fuel pressure regulator & hose
    Injector seals
    Valve cover gaskets & bungs
    Oil filler cap
    Dip stick o-rings
    Oil return tube o-rings

    (this is jlevie's list:))
    --Will

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      #3
      i was just thinking, if it runs the same with/out the o2 sensor, its not going into closed loop mode. So, check the AFM?



      theres a good write up on the page about the Air Flow Meter and how to troubleshoot it
      --Will

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        #4
        Originally posted by portisroads View Post
        Checked fuel pressure next. I put the gauge inline at the cold start injector. Fuel pressure was 129. I clamped down the line after the fuel regulator and the pressure came up to just under 150. I figured the regulator was bad so I went ahead and replaced it. Took it out again.

        It ran great for a minute once it was warm, but I was flogging it. I then decided I needed to drive it like I would and traffic, and it started doing it all over again. I looked at the cold start injector to see if it was wet, or weeping, and it wasn't. Oh, and the plugs are wet across the board. They all look the same...
        129 PSI?? should be 2.5 bar - like 36 psi for an ETA???

        If it is really that high and with a different regulator and it is the same you must have a plugged return line.
        My M20 Frankenbuild(s)
        4 Sale - Fully Built TurnKey Megasquirt Plug and Play EMS

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          #5
          i mean 29 psi, sorry. i will go through all of the vacuum hoses again and check the afm again. thanks.

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            #6
            it should be around 43psi if i'm not mistaken

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              #7
              That would be a 3 bar regulator for an i motor
              My M20 Frankenbuild(s)
              4 Sale - Fully Built TurnKey Megasquirt Plug and Play EMS

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                #8
                checked fuel pressure. now it is at 43 and with no load acceleration it comes up to about 50/55psi. Checked the AFM like the 944 site said to. It didn't raise in voltage, but dropped. It dropped consistently and wasn't erratic so I'm figuring it is fine. Is this an alright assumption? Swapped the ecu again, and opened both to look for burn/melt spots on either. One of my friends came by the shop to look at another project, he is a motorcycle tech for BMW and is thinking it is a sensor issue somewhere because it only happens when it is warm and effects all the cylinders. He was thinking most likely coolant temp sensor. Does anyone know what the resistance should be when up to full temp? All the grounds on the motor are good. This is really driving me crazy.

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                  #9
                  This is still a stock ETA motor and injection? Is it a 2.5 or 3 bar regulator? I still think your fuel pressure is too high, it should be 36ish with the vac hose off and less with it on.
                  My M20 Frankenbuild(s)
                  4 Sale - Fully Built TurnKey Megasquirt Plug and Play EMS

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                    #10
                    damn, so was 29 psi okay? The new one I got was for a eta. I'll double check the part on advanced to see what it says. It doesn't say on it what the bar pressure is for it. I just checked some of the sensors again and the coolant temp switch is having continuity with the engine cold and ambiant temp about 70 deg. The manual is saying this should have no continuity below 116 degrees.

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