troubleshooting the m20

[matias88e30]

Every time im gonna start the car i have to cranck it a few times before it actually starts and runs.. it does it whenever it wants... i have checked almost everything and dont know what it might be!. I checked for spark, fuel, timing, cpr, tps,afm, ecu.. relays etc, and nothing.. i replaced the engine a few months ago with a rebuilt one(not because of the problems, but due to a turbo project).. and still does the same thing. the engine its a 89 from a 325i.. someone told me that theres a censor on the transmission that its linked somehow to the flywheel, but i replaced the flywheel and clucth along with the new engine and didnt saw any sensor, i also searched on realoem and my tranny doesnt have a sensor... any help or advice on what should i check would be aprecciated guys! thanks and sorry for my english!...

[StereoInstaller1]

Have you checked your fuel pressure regulator?

[matias88e30]

yea... i did, im sure its nothing related with fuel, i performed several fuel pressure test, fuel delivery rate test, checked injectors etc...

[Andy348]

The sensor on the flywheel is a crank position sensor, but I'm not sure if 89s had them. You can test it via the instructions in the Bentley manual.

[StereoInstaller1]

Only the ETA motor had crank position on the flywheel...that ain't it.

[matias88e30]

^^^ right.... my cpr its located in the crank pulley

[jlevie]

If the only problem is hard starting, work through:

Idle or hard starting problems are most commonly caused by intake leaks and/or
a sticky or defective Idle Control Valve (ICV). The only reliable method of
locating intake leaks is to have a smoke test run on the intake and crank case
and to test the brake booster with a gage and vacuum pump. The complete list
of possible causes of an intake leak is:

Intake boot
Throttle body gasket
ICV hoses & connections
Brake booster, hoses, and connections
Crank case breather hose
Evaporative control hoses, valve, and expansion tank
Fuel pressure regulator & hose
Injector seals
Valve cover gaskets & bungs
Oil filler cap
Dip stick o-rings
Oil return tube o-rings

While leaks in some of those can be found by inspection or by spraying carb
cleaner on suspect areas, not finding leaks that way doesn't eliminate the
possibility. Only a smoke test will really work.

Once the possibility of intake leaks is eliminated, the ICV needs to be
removed and cleaned with carb cleaner until the vane inside moves freely. When
the ignition is switched on you should be able to feel vibration from the
ICV. If no vibration the ICV is bad, there's a problem with its wiring or
connector, there's a problem with the TPS, or the DME (or Idle Control Module
(ICM) on an ETA car) is faulty.

For the DME (or ICM) to control idle, the idle switch in the TPS must work
correctly. The switch should close when the throttle stop is 0.020-0.060" off
the idle stop screw.

The fuel system should be tested via the suite of tests in the Bentley manual
as invalid rail pressure can be a contributor to idle and starting problems. A
simple injector check is to pull the injectors, jumper the fuel relay to run
the pump, and see if the injectors are leaking. You can also point the
injectors into a towel, remove the coil wire, and crank the engine to see if
all of the injectors appear to be spraying in a similar fashion. The best
approach to possible injector problems is to have the injectors cleaned and
flow tested. Since raw fuel can or will be released in these tests, have a
fire extinguisher handy.

The O2 sensor can be a contributor to idle problems. The O2 sensor is a
scheduled maintenance item with a useful life of no more than 100k. If the
sensor has that mileage or more (or is of unknown age), replace it.

The AFM can be a contributor. If the vane doesn't move freely or the
resistance track is worn the DME may be receiving invalid data from the
AFM. And if someone has fiddled with the bypass air adjustment the DME may be
unable to stabilize idle. The bypass air adjustment should only be adjusted
per the procedure in the Bentley and with an exhaust gas analyzer. And even
then everything else associated with engine management has to first be
operating properly. If the AFM becomes a suspect, replacement with a good used
unit is the best approach.

Improperly adjusted or malfunctioning valves will affect idle and starting. As
can compression issues from ring or cylinder wear. A valve adjustment is
called for every 15k. A useful diagnostic is to run compression and leak down
tests on the engine. And aged ignition wires, plugs, distributor cap, or
rotor can cause problems. Insulation does break down with time and heat. And
since the youngest E30 is going on 19 years old, if the ignition system is
original or the plugs are old replacement is indicated.

Although not usually a problem, a bad DME temp sensor is a possibility. That
generally won't cause an unstable idle, but can cause hard cold or hard hot
starts and/or a rough idle. As can problems with the timing reference sensors.

When all other possibilities have been eliminated and idle or starting
problems persist, replacement of the DME, or if applicable the ICM, is
indicated.

[matias88e30]

^^^^Hey! thanks again for the help! i decided i was gonna live with the aluminium flywheel ratlle noise lol....

No intake/ vaccum leaks/ icv checked and cleaned, afm checked and cleaned, fuel system checked, tmp censor replaced (6 months ago), tps adjusted, o2 also replaced a few months ago,cps was replaced as well, i did everything as bentley manual describes it!... ignition parts such as ignition coil, cap rotor, wires and spark plugs brand new along with rebuilt head...all grounds checked, i swap ecu's from two friends wich their e30 had no problems at all..

Before i replaced the engine it was doing the same thing... so im assuming it might be some kind of electrical problem,

[matias88e30]

no more suggestions?