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    Another eta starting issue - HELP!

    Vehicle:
    1987 325es (eta), 185K miles.
    Conforti chipped “027” DME. No other engine or electrical mods.

    Symptoms:
    · Intermittent no-start, which can happen with the engine either hot or cold. The starter operates normally but the car will not fire off or even attempt to fire off. It may not start for a half hour and then be fine. It may not start for days at a time, and the next day it fires off on the first try.
    · Very intermittent loss of engine power. On three occasions over the past year with the engine at operating temperature, the car started on the second or third attempt but the idle speed was low. I could not drive more than 1 mile and at more than 20 mph without the engine bogging down, and the temperature gauge shot ¾ of the way up. I pulled over and turned the car off. When it cooled, it started right up and ran normally. I have a new mechanical fan clutch installed.
    · The other 99% of the time, the car fires off on the first try and runs perfectly. It has never stalled, so once running it is fine.

    What’s been changed over the past year:
    · Main, fuel pump and oxygen sensor relays
    · Coolant temperature sensors on the thermostat housing (all four)
    · Spark plugs
    · Intake boot, breather hose, vacuum lines, timing belt, water pump, valve adjustment, fuel filter, radiator and a whole lot of other parts not directly related to the issue I’m having.

    What’s been checked:
    · I did a complete check of the Motronic sensors and harness all the way back to the DME last summer. I verified all sensors were operating correctly and within ohm limits by measuring at each sensor itself and at the DME connector.
    · Inspected the distributor cap, rotor, ignition wires. All are fairly new and in good condition.
    · The coil passes its resistance checks on the primary and secondary side.
    · All grounds in the engine compartment are tight and corrosion free.
    · Fuel pressure is 32-34 psi with no loss of pressure in the rail overnight.

    The issue is of course that the car runs great unless it is acting up. WHEN it acts up I don’t have my diagnostic equipment readily available to tell what is going on, so I can’t pinpoint the problem to a fuel or spark (or both) issue.

    Research tells me that the two crank position sensors, the ignition switch, the fusible link in trunk or the DME itself could all be potential causes, but there’s no way of narrowing it down to one issue. Which of these should I start with?

    And am I missing anything else that someone might have come across in the past? I’m getting afraid to turn the car off anyplace other than my garage!

    THANKS!
    101

    The E30 collection:
    1987 325es M52 - Schwarz / Taurus Red Sport (son #2's)
    1987 325is - Delphin / Black Sport (son #3's)
    1987 325i Convertible - Triple Black
    1989 325iX Coupe - Diamondschwarz / Black Comfort
    1990 325iX Coupe - Sterling Silver / Grey Sport

    1981 Fiat 124 Spider 2000 - Green / Tan
    1998 Volvo V70 GLT - White / Tan
    1998 Volvo S70 T5 manual - White / Taupe
    2001 Ford Windstar - Silver / Grey (parts hauler)
    2006 Lexus GX470 - White / Tan (tow rig)

    #2
    You can check the fusible link by disconnecting one end of that wire and measuring the resistance of the wire.

    As for the timing sensors, they can ohm okay but still be bad. Just replace them with new parts.
    The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
    Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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      #3
      Originally posted by jlevie View Post
      You can check the fusible link by disconnecting one end of that wire and measuring the resistance of the wire.

      As for the timing sensors, they can ohm okay but still be bad. Just replace them with new parts.
      I'll conform what jlevie said about the timing sensors. Mine went bad in my old eta and ohmed out just fine. The car would stall from time to time when warm. Start there.

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        #4
        +1 for the timing sensors. My old ones ohm'd out perfect but didn't work worth a shit.

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          #5
          I ordered two new OEM sensors. The stories of success with aftermarket sensors are not real encouraging.

          That put a big old hurt on the wallet but its still cheaper than a tow bill, I guess.

          I'll report back once I get them installed and the other diagnostic checks completed.

          Thanks guys!
          101

          The E30 collection:
          1987 325es M52 - Schwarz / Taurus Red Sport (son #2's)
          1987 325is - Delphin / Black Sport (son #3's)
          1987 325i Convertible - Triple Black
          1989 325iX Coupe - Diamondschwarz / Black Comfort
          1990 325iX Coupe - Sterling Silver / Grey Sport

          1981 Fiat 124 Spider 2000 - Green / Tan
          1998 Volvo V70 GLT - White / Tan
          1998 Volvo S70 T5 manual - White / Taupe
          2001 Ford Windstar - Silver / Grey (parts hauler)
          2006 Lexus GX470 - White / Tan (tow rig)

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            #6
            BAD DME - I think!

            Shortly after I posted this, "Inki" stranded my son in his college parking lot 135 miles away from home. He tried to start her for several days with no luck. After about a week of many attempts she finally started and he was able to get her back to the garage at his apartment. Once there, she totally gave up and would not start again. I sent up a battery tender and fuel stabilizer with a different car and said the hell with Inki.

            Two months went by and I finally hauled my tools and test equipment up last weekend. We ran the complete diagnostics per the Bentley manual again, repeating what I had done last summer. We started with the fusible link, checked power to the coil from the ignition switch, checked the main and fuel pump relays and tested all the pins of the engine harness at the DME connection ... power, grounds, operation of all the sensors, fuel injector and fuel pump operation, etc. Everything checked out absolutely OK on the harness end.

            We swapped the DME with a known good one and she started right up on the first attempt.

            We took her for several test drives over the weekend and tried restarting her after various time periods. She always restarted with no issues.

            So ... either there was an intermittent problem in the DME or the crank position sensors are playing games and will once again strand the car at some random point in the future. Until I feel comfortable that it actually was the DME we're going to limit the risk of a tow bill by not turning Inki off unless she's in the garage.

            And if Inki decides to act up again - the next parts on the list will be the crank position sensors.
            101

            The E30 collection:
            1987 325es M52 - Schwarz / Taurus Red Sport (son #2's)
            1987 325is - Delphin / Black Sport (son #3's)
            1987 325i Convertible - Triple Black
            1989 325iX Coupe - Diamondschwarz / Black Comfort
            1990 325iX Coupe - Sterling Silver / Grey Sport

            1981 Fiat 124 Spider 2000 - Green / Tan
            1998 Volvo V70 GLT - White / Tan
            1998 Volvo S70 T5 manual - White / Taupe
            2001 Ford Windstar - Silver / Grey (parts hauler)
            2006 Lexus GX470 - White / Tan (tow rig)

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              #7
              Still working perfectly? I'm having same problem, even though mine hasn't crapped out for more than a couple hours. Couldn't Imagine the problem keeping the car down for days on end. Was just about to buy a CPS but I've got a spare ECU lying around somewhere, I'll swap that first and see whats up.
              West German BMWs, they just don't make the same as they did before the wall fell.
              ^Case in point: Auto-Repair Technology. Everytime my car isn't starting or acting up I let it sit, sometimes for an hour, sometimes for days. But it eventually fixes itself.

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                #8
                With all the salt around central Ohio we haven't had her out of the garage for the past two weeks ... but we do start her up weekly - and she's continues to work just fine.

                The DME swap is worth a shot in my opinion, especialy if you have one lying around. Do the resistance test on your CPS sensors at the DME connector while you're in there too.
                101

                The E30 collection:
                1987 325es M52 - Schwarz / Taurus Red Sport (son #2's)
                1987 325is - Delphin / Black Sport (son #3's)
                1987 325i Convertible - Triple Black
                1989 325iX Coupe - Diamondschwarz / Black Comfort
                1990 325iX Coupe - Sterling Silver / Grey Sport

                1981 Fiat 124 Spider 2000 - Green / Tan
                1998 Volvo V70 GLT - White / Tan
                1998 Volvo S70 T5 manual - White / Taupe
                2001 Ford Windstar - Silver / Grey (parts hauler)
                2006 Lexus GX470 - White / Tan (tow rig)

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                  #9
                  I've also had very similar issue with my car. Can you give any updates on whether or not you're still incurring issues?

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                    #10
                    is everything still working 101?

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                      #11
                      The DME replacement definitely solved the intermittent no-start issue. That has not reoccurred. My old DME was chipped, the replacement one is not.

                      I still have the very intermittent no power / bogging down issue - although that only happened once this past summer. When it did happen, I pulled into a parking lot, turned the motor off, waited 15 minutes and it restarted and ran normally.

                      I can't tell whether this remaining issue is a fuel or spark issue and its not going to get solved until it shows itself and stays around long enough to properly diagnose. Half of me wants to say "transfer fuel pump", the other half wants to say "CPS sensor(s)". All of me says that I don't want to just throw parts at it.
                      101

                      The E30 collection:
                      1987 325es M52 - Schwarz / Taurus Red Sport (son #2's)
                      1987 325is - Delphin / Black Sport (son #3's)
                      1987 325i Convertible - Triple Black
                      1989 325iX Coupe - Diamondschwarz / Black Comfort
                      1990 325iX Coupe - Sterling Silver / Grey Sport

                      1981 Fiat 124 Spider 2000 - Green / Tan
                      1998 Volvo V70 GLT - White / Tan
                      1998 Volvo S70 T5 manual - White / Taupe
                      2001 Ford Windstar - Silver / Grey (parts hauler)
                      2006 Lexus GX470 - White / Tan (tow rig)

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