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    '88 325ix rough running nightmare.

    My 88 325ix (with 87ix engine) has been running like absolute shit since I hit a deer with it... I have tried many different things to fix the car but I can not figure it out. I have attached a youtube video so you can see for yourself. This is how it runs with everything plugged in as it should be. If I remove the MAF plug it will run a little better, but still falls on its face during acceleration. I have been all over the internet/bently searching for the solution for this problem for over a year now, and I am ready to give up on this car.

    Collision:

    Driving about 55 mph and deer jumps right in front of me, small deer, pushes in radiator etc and tweaks and breaks engine fan pretty bad. Drivers side of car is pushed in much further than passengers, and the hood is pushed down slightly on the front drivers side above the AFM. the 3 relays are dislodged and AFM wires pinched, but do not appear damaged and neither does their wiring. all headlight stuff damaged badly (have pulled fuses for all accessories for electrical troubleshooting). Car overheats slightly before I can shut it off (fan belt probably not spinning at this point, meaning water pump too ). Key is broken in ignition from frustration at this point.

    First thought: Poor ignition.....

    have tried: New: plugs, rotor, dizzy cap, crank sensor, timing belt, water pump, head gasket, alternator. (all since accident) (did not replace tensioner/spring, seems fine.)
    -a spare used set of wires, and 2 known working coils
    harmonic balancer inspected for damage. no chipped teeth. Water pump was bent and pushed on pretty good, pulley was originally scraping the very edge of the balancer lightly, but it doesn't seem worn down at all really.

    still seems like a timing issue to me, like the computer it messing it all up somehow.

    When using a spark tester that looks like a spark plug i am getting inconsistant or absent spark at RPM. Coil sparks hard on it's end but that's with the engine "starting", not running. Sometimes with all other 5 plugs plugged in the plug i'm testing will crack fast and hard for a couple seconds then just drop entirely.

    Second thought: Fuel.....
    have tried:
    new FPR, running pressure 2.5bar (full throttle running) 3.0bar (idle). pressure does not drop over time with car off.
    New 02 sensor/exhaust swap
    cleaned injectors, tried spare injectors. new coolant sensor,
    tried multiple known working MAF


    Third thought: Intake leak....
    smoke tested at a shop. have also looked tirelessly with other methods. No intake leaks.

    Fourth thought: Electrical BS
    have done ECU pinout tests according to Bentley and all are within spec.
    have swapped known good ECU... have tested for continuity from computer side harness to all sensor side harnesses, have also load tested circuits which supply power. fusible link is OK. have cleaned all connections to all sensors and plugs and whatnot...

    stomp test is the 02 sensor heating element code, no other codes present.

    Fifth Though: Compression (dry, wet)

    1 160 --> 175
    2 140 --> 195
    3 130 --> 185
    4 135 --> 185
    5 150 --> 200
    6 140 --> 205

    should note that numbers were obtained with about half a shot glass of oil wet, and about 10s or five revolutions. I can build pressure very high if I keep cranking (heard many ways to do compression tests)

    concern: numbers are low... but the car didn't overheat that badly for any real period of time (i saw temp gauge shooting up fast after accident and shut car down.) My father says that my rings wouldn't be causing the problems I'm having.. usually I trust his opinion on things mechanical but what do you guys think? Burnt rings? plugs are ALL carbon fouled, and a fresh set of plugs will ALL be carbon fouled within minutes of being in the engine. I clean the plugs before every new test of the engine. The engine produces a gray fuel smelling smoke that will sting your eyes.

    any and all help appreciated. Because you cant ask something for nothing, if one of you can tell me exactly what is wrong with my car I will ship you any one part you need off a m20. have tons of spare stuff. will figure that out when the time comes... thank you guys for your time..




    also can anyone tell me what the other wires go to that are routed with the crank sensor wire, appears to be an oil level sensor? I have concerns this wire is damaged, any way to bypass it? That wouldn't cause this... would it? Scraping on the balancer and shorting or something IDK..?
    Last edited by dubrooks; 03-19-2015, 01:27 PM.

    #2
    If you tested all sensor input to ECU and they were within spec then your wiring and sensor should be fine. The question with that is, did you test all inputs at the ECU... AFM, O2, temp sensor, TPS, and CPS?

    The carbon is likely caused by the poor running condition.

    Was the head decked as part of the head gasket replacement? It should have been. Is the timing set correctly after the head gasket job?

    One thing I've seen from a car that had front end damage is that the harmonic balancer had a very slight wobble which caused issue with the engine running. In this case the wobble was due to a bent crank.

    One last thought, check your c191 plug for corrosion or damage.
    90 325i DD/Track
    03 Durango 5.9


    Originally posted by e30mpg
    It is recommended to get new gasket but this is R3v and we just copper spray that shit......slap biotch on and tighten to tq.

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      #3
      I did infact test all those sensor inputs at the ecu. I did not get the head gasket checked for warpage, but I do not think it was blown in either of the times I replaced it, I just did them as more of a reassurance (once when the engine was put into the new car, and another time just because). I've got the timing perfect, and I have tried advancing and retarding the timing by a tooth with no luck either. The water pump pulley definitely pushed on the top of the harmonic balancer during the collision.

      The other night I re-wired the c191 plug after chasing corrosion down into the harness, and I'm now getting stomp code 1444 - no errors (had the battery disconnected... she def seems rich still.)

      I have had the balancer off and on a flat surface and it looks fine... have rolled it around with a feeler gauge in there, and it honestly seems like it varies by just enough to make pushing the feeler in between a little more difficult on one area. I took a video of the balancer in motion (maybe i'll post that too) and it doesn't really seem to be wobbling there either... but that's what I'm afraid of... no oscilloscope to test it for sure. I sure hope I don't have a bent crank!

      If I cause a large air leak (leaning her out on purpose) she will die out, not run better.

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        #4
        Check the distance of the CPS from the tooth wheel. It might be slightly off due to the accident.

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          #5
          Still have not resolved this. I have again checked the spacing between crank sensor and wheel, and for wheel wobble. It's fine. definitely. I might pick up an oscilloscope and settle my personal metal debate. lol.

          Does anyone think an upstream exhaust leak could cause this extreme of a condition? I have growing suspicion the exhaust may have bent the flanges where the manifold connects on the manifold side, which is something I haven't had out of the car to inspect..... I hate those manifold bolts...... Ahhh I'll mess with it later and post back one day when I figure this out for sure. Might come to a rebuild and standalone ecu at this point.

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            #6
            Originally posted by dubrooks View Post
            Still have not resolved this. I have again checked the spacing between crank sensor and wheel, and for wheel wobble. It's fine. definitely. I might pick up an oscilloscope and settle my personal metal debate. lol.

            Does anyone think an upstream exhaust leak could cause this extreme of a condition? I have growing suspicion the exhaust may have bent the flanges where the manifold connects on the manifold side, which is something I haven't had out of the car to inspect..... I hate those manifold bolts...... Ahhh I'll mess with it later and post back one day when I figure this out for sure. Might come to a rebuild and standalone ecu at this point.
            Any possibility of a plugged exhaust due to the possible damage? I've heard of a severely restricted exhaust causing issues similar to yours. Shot in the dark I know but...



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              #7
              Yea I swapped the exhaust thinking my cat was plugged with one from a parts car I got off a friend who crashed it... and it runs like shit cold (no 02 sensor data) so upstream leak probably isn't the problem either now that I think about it more. I might just make it into a huge project.

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