85 Eta, Fuel but no spark

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  • acalora
    Noobie
    • Jan 2016
    • 22

    #1

    85 Eta, Fuel but no spark

    So I got this 1985 Eta, it hasn't run in about 10 years according to the VIN records. It was given to me by a friend who said he got it to run by spraying starting fluid into the intake, so it must have been getting spark at that time. We towed it to my place to work on it further only to find that, not only was there no fuel, there was no spark either. Here is a list of things we have done so far to try to get it to start properly:

    Checked for power at 15 on spark plug coil coil
    Continuity between 1 on coil and 1 on ECU
    Tested for spark at king lead without going through dist cap, no spark
    Replaced Spark Plugs
    Tried another spark plug coil
    Still no spark

    Cut a new valve cover ground and ran it to the frame after scratching off some paint and verified that current flows through it
    Replaced both CPSs, checked they are in the correct plugs, swapped them just to make sure
    Checked fuse at battery, has continuity
    Replaced ECU
    Still no spark

    Old fuel pump was bad, changed that anyways
    Power at fuel pump in run and start
    Now we have fuel, but still no spark

    Replaced main relay and fuel pump relay
    Checked all fuses

    No Spark


    Anything else that hasn't been done?
  • acalora
    Noobie
    • Jan 2016
    • 22

    #2
    Well it looks like it might be the reference pin on the flywheel. Lot of options here. I've read that upgrading from Motronic Basic to 1.1 is even easier than dealing with the actual problem.

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    • acalora
      Noobie
      • Jan 2016
      • 22

      #3
      Good news everyone. I checked and found the flywheel pin intact. So since it's not that, I'm out of ideas. Anything else that causes a no start I should check?

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      • RobDog
        Advanced Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 188

        #4
        Have you checked the obc relay or tried bypassing the obc relay?

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        • acalora
          Noobie
          • Jan 2016
          • 22

          #5
          I remember reading about the OBC but haven't done a single thing with it. Where is the OBC relay?

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          • RobDog
            Advanced Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 188

            #6
            The obc relay is on the drivers side, under the kick panel and directly behind the abs module. The obc relay is a black plastic box with 2 green plugs aprox. 4x5x1 inches. The 2largest wires of about 8 ( green and green/red) should have 12v going through them. If only 1 wire has 12v then that's your problem. Then cut the 2 wires and splice together to bypass the obc relay if you are having voltage issues with the obc relay.

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            • acalora
              Noobie
              • Jan 2016
              • 22

              #7
              Excellent, thanks, will check tomorrow and update. Also going to check a couple other things as well.

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              • RobDog
                Advanced Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 188

                #8
                ^ I should add that you should have voltage on those 2 wires with the ignition on and only cars with 13 button obc's have obc relay boxes. If you have anything else then the above does not apply.

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                • acalora
                  Noobie
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 22

                  #9
                  Its the 13 button one. And by ignition you mean in start? Or just in run? Or both?

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                  • RobDog
                    Advanced Member
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 188

                    #10
                    In run

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                    • acalora
                      Noobie
                      • Jan 2016
                      • 22

                      #11
                      Alrighty Yoseph. I'll be in the garage tomorrow morning ish, so we'll see what happens.

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                      • RobDog
                        Advanced Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 188

                        #12
                        My dads 87 eta was such a pain in the ass with the no spark crap every 6 months. Once was the ecu, the next was the engine speed sensor, and last was the flywheel pin. but now it runs great and im glad we stuck with it. Good luck.

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                        • RobDog
                          Advanced Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 188

                          #13
                          Is the car a auto or manual?

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                          • acalora
                            Noobie
                            • Jan 2016
                            • 22

                            #14
                            Autotragic

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                            • RobDog
                              Advanced Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 188

                              #15
                              I would double check the both the reference and engine speed sensors. The trickiest of the problems was the engine speed sensors. It would olm within spec but was bad. It wasn't until a very cold day I olmed the sensor and it failed. Once swapped it fired right up. The car would not start prior but could be push started and once warm it would have spark. It was just weird and I hated that pretty red 325es for over a year. It now has 345,000 miles and pulls away from my 200,000 mile 325es.

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