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    M30B35 swap losing power over 5k

    So I'm really hoping to get this fixed quick because I'm scheduled to get on the dyno this next Saturday with a local BMW group.

    I have a 1989 325i with an M30B35 swapped in from a 1988 735i. It has a custom 3" intake with a big K&N air filter, a full 3" stainless, catless exhaust with an E.A.T. performance chip.

    I have been running the car for a while with a 1990 325i rusty speed-holed accident repaired POS chassis without any real major issues. Even bleeding the coolant went fine and it never ran hot until the stock fan died.

    With the swap to the new minty California chassis however it blew a fuel pump fairly quickly when the alignment shop had it. I figured that since the car sat for a few years with the PO it was just caused by a pump that got cruddy and tired so I swapped it out with a replacement pump and went on my way. The rest of the year it seemed to be ok but I didn't drive it much and the exhaust is pretty loud.

    Well, this year after the 20 feet of snow melted and it was finally un-timelocked from the localized glacier I decided to charge up the battery and get the parts moving again. It was running a little rough but after getting some fresh premium in things were smoother and appeared to be ok.

    After dropping a friend off at a shop to pick up his E34 535i we had a "spirited" run back on the freeway and I had instantly noticed that over about 5,000 rpm power just dropped off like a rock. It was almost like it was rev limited or something like that where my speed would only slowly creep up. Once I shifter and got below that range it kicked back in and started accelerating again. My rev limiter is at 6800 on the car and before it has never had this issue and ran hard until about 6k and I'd shift around 6500.

    First, does anyone have an idea why the power would be dropping off past 5k? I've never experienced anything like this before in any of my E30s.

    Second, has anyone experienced fuel pumps dying with this swap before? The odd thing is that when I start it up it seems to run fine but after a couple minutes it makes the classic buzz/hum/whine/squeal/imgoingtodiesoon sound the fuel pumps make when it's on its way out. I've had some noisy ones and some on their way to death ones but they always make the noise all the time. This one works fine when it first starts up and then makes the noise. Even if I just stop for gas quick and fill up I get back in the car and it won't make the sound for a couple minutes. This is the same one from the old 1990 chassis that ran fine before. Do I just need to suck it up and buy a brand new pump from BMW for $300?

    Third, even when running under 5k the car seems to be running a bit slower than normal and a bit off. I just got done modifying my 2012 Mazdaspeed 3 and right now it's putting out about 310hp at the crank so it's pretty quick. Previously with the old chassis and with just an intake on the Speed3 the 335i kept up with the Speed and it was a give or take as to who would win. With the new mods I sort of wrote it off as being just slower than the Mazda but now I'm thinking that maybe with this power issue there is something else going on. Is the M20B25 stock fuel pump enough to keep up with the motor pressure and flow wise or do I need to swap to the E34 or maybe an aftermarket fuel pump? Are the stock fuel pressure regulators different between the M20 and M30? Do I need to upgrade the fuel injectors or possibly the pump to support the mods with the E.A.T. chip?

    Thanks for any input, I'm really hoping to get this resolved asap so the car doesn't fall flat on it's face on the dyno. There's some big six haters there.

    #2
    The fuel pump died in my 320i shortly after swapping in my M30. I swapped it over to a VDO replacement OEM pump and have had no issues since.

    The same pump that is used on the e30 was also used on the Ford Falcon down here with both a 4.0L OHC 6 (155 - 180kW) and 5.0L Windsor V8 (165 - 220kW) so I don't see why the stock pump wouldn't keep up with an M30 if in good condition.

    Probably worth shelling out for a new pump if you current one is making nasty noises.
    My e30: OEM+ with M30B35

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      #3
      If your going to buy another fuel pump buy a tre or walbro
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        #4
        Better get that pump ordered man, Saturday's coming up fast.
        Whatever
        88ix coupe, 89seta turbo sedan

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          #5
          Anyone know about the FPR and if they are both running at 45psi?

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            #6
            The M30 has a 3 bar FPR, which seems to have been used on the M20B25 also. ETAs and other M20s used a 2.5 bar FPR.
            My e30: OEM+ with M30B35

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              #7
              Awesome, thanks for that info on the FPR. Could the FPR possibly get stuck closed? Perhaps this is why my pump isn't making noise until a bit after it's first started?

              Has anyone ever used an AEM pump? There's a local performance shop here that has a 320lph AEM that will work with E85 for about $100. Since I'm planning on boosting in a bit since it has to keep up with the Speed3 I'm looking into running an E85 mix.

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                #8
                It's possible that the fuel filter or fuel pressure regulator could be dodge-y after a winter of sitting and no fresh gas. I'd swap both out, or at least get a fuel pressure tester and make sure you're getting the correct PSI at the fuel rail.

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                  #9
                  Fixed! Car runs hard as shit now! Enough to spin halfway through 2nd gear with 225 KDW2s on!

                  Ok, so it's weird as hell and explains why it was confusing.

                  The old fuel pump is totally fine and works great. I wound up replacing it with the AEM E85 pump part # 50-1200 anyways to support the turbo system next year and maybe some head work and injectors this summer. The fit is great and almost dead on and it's pretty quiet for flowing 320lph @ 43psi. http://www.maperformance.com/aem-hig...-shipping.html

                  When I went to take the stock fuel pump out it was immediately apparent what had happened. The sock filter at the bottom of the pump had actually come off and was floating beneath the pump. It would float around underneath there when first starting up the car and as the pump ran and sucked in fuel it sucked the filter in closer and eventually it would suck into the intake of the pump. Since the sock normally pulls from inside it has a lot of filter area and it's not a problem. However, in this case it was only pulling through a small section of the sock filter and thus not able to pull in enough fuel causing the noise and not enough fuel and pressure to flow to support the injectors over 5k. Additionally, there was a power loss under 5k and now that the car is running right it's very apparent.

                  Also, I replaced the fuel filter and the amount of mud butt that drained out was disgusting. Chunks, silt, all sorts of nasty stuff so I think the pump pulled in all the shite in the bottom of the tank and was dumping all that into the filter. The FPR seemed to be fine and I did replace it but the one I had was actually broke and stuck so yay had to swap it back. I guess I'll just buy a new aftermarket adjustable FPR with a fuel pressure gauge.

                  Well, the only downside to all this is that after I got it running I blew the high pressure fuel line right after the pump! Damn, I knew I should have replaced those when I did the swap.

                  Anyways, thanks to everyone who helped out, I do appreciate it and hopefully if this happens to someone else they can find this thread.

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                    #10
                    Good work :)

                    Good to hear it ended up being something simple. After sucking all the crap out of the bottom of the tank into the pump, it was probably a good idea to replace it even though it was still working.

                    Hope the dyno session shows up the M30 haters :p
                    My e30: OEM+ with M30B35

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                      #11
                      Thanks again!

                      I had a GREAT run at the dyno and put down some solid numbers. 3" PVC intake with K&N filter, 3" catless stainless exhaust and a Mark D Sylva chip on a 190,000 mile 1988 735i motor put down 193WHP and 202WTQ. I was hoping to break 200hp so I guess it's time for a little headwork!

                      I have to say though that out of all of the dyno runs I had one of, if not THE best dyno charts. It certainly was not the most powerful dyno compared to the new modified 135i coupes that were running but it was VERY consistent. It's a solid, well sorted M30B35 swap.

                      Here is the dyno chart and the video of the run. Unfortunately my electronic cutout broke AGAIN right before the dyno run :(




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                        #12
                        Nice! Equates to around 144kW at the wheels - very good for an exhaust / chip & pod filter.

                        My last run (checking all was ok after swapping my engine) was 124kW at the wheels - stock M30B35 with cat & 2.5 inch single. Wasn't too worried about power output, just checking that all was working properly with the swap (AFRs etc).

                        Note: I was on a Dyno Dynamics dyno.
                        My e30: OEM+ with M30B35

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