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    driveshaft alignment angles, you should worry about this!

    ive recently realised that my driveshaft needs a rebuild. in my research, i see very little if any mention of driveshaft alignment angles on bmw forums. everyone is worried about cv-joints, balancing, guibos and CSB, which is important, but if your driveshaft is not aligned, all that is pointless.

    im talking about the angles of your tranny output flange vs your diff input flange as well as the angle of the two driveshaft halves. our driveshafts dont have constant velocity joints, they have two u-joints. this means that any angle at the u-joint and you get irregular rotation afterwards. the only way to cancel out this form of vibration is by having an opposite angle at the second u-joint. this will restore the smooth rotation.

    however, if my interpretation of the factory service manual is correct, our driveline layout is done in such a way as to keep the entire driveshaft straight from engine to diff. this of course is ideal since no irregular motion is created anywhere except if the driveline deflects temporarily. these little details is what make a bmw a bmw.

    i would also like to highlight that the driveshaft needs to be aligned in two planes, vertical and horizontal. for left to right alignment, you can play with the engine/tranny alignment on the mounts which have some slack. i didnt quite understand the factory manuals measurement method with a special tool, but anyone with a bit of intuition can figure out a proper way to align the engine with the rest of the driveline.

    since there isnt much else to adjust in the left to right plane, you can now move onto the up/down alignment. the best is to use a digital level and place it on different reference points. i would try the front of the engine on the face where the water pump mounts, the tranny output flange and the diff input flange. try to get the same angle for all of these. according to the manual, shims can be used to adjust the angles.

    the alignment would be over if we had 1 piece driveshafts, but since we arent so lucky (or unlucky), you need to also align the two half shafts. this is easy, simply apply the level on a smooth even parts of the driveshafts and ensure they are parallel with each other. washers on the CSB bearing can correct any misalignment. however, im not sure what your options are if you have to move the CSB upwards...

    anyway, this wasnt a very good guide at all, since i havent performed the operation myself yet. it was just a warning and general procedure to make you think twice before simply re-installing a driveshaft. remember, the driveshaft angle needs to be checked if any of the following components are removed or replaced:

    - engine
    - tranny
    - engine/tranny mounts
    - anything driveshaft related
    - rear subframe bushings (i dont think anyone ever checks this, and im pretty sure poly bushings make the subframe sit slightly different)
    - diff
    - diff bushing

    maybe some guys can chime in with some better advice, liam?
    Last edited by guibo09; 04-15-2009, 05:43 AM.
    90 E30 325i

    #2
    lay off the weed buddy. Its not that big of a deal
    ///Alpinweiß II 24v 91' 318is, Alpinweiß III 99' 323i, 04' Yamaha R6 SE for sale, 00' VW GTi, 83' El Camino BURNED, 01' P71sold, 92' Miatasold

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      #3
      Originally posted by asubimmer View Post
      lay off the weed buddy. Its not that big of a deal
      what did i tell you about posting in my threads?
      90 E30 325i

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        #4
        My car has had spurious vibrations for years.

        I was reading the TIS and saw that, have been wondering if that might be it.

        Closing SOON!
        "LAST CHANCE FOR G.A.S." DEAL IS ON NOW

        Luke AT germanaudiospecialties DOT com or text 425-761-6450, or for quickest answers, call me at the shop 360-669-0398

        Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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          #5
          Originally posted by guibo09 View Post
          what did i tell you about posting in my threads?
          I must have forgot, oh well...
          ///Alpinweiß II 24v 91' 318is, Alpinweiß III 99' 323i, 04' Yamaha R6 SE for sale, 00' VW GTi, 83' El Camino BURNED, 01' P71sold, 92' Miatasold

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            #6
            Originally posted by StereoInstaller1 View Post
            My car has had spurious vibrations for years.

            I was reading the TIS and saw that, have been wondering if that might be it.
            it could very well be that. especially if you've changed subframe bushings or your rubber ones are sagging.
            90 E30 325i

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              #7
              I'm sorry but thats crazy talk. Subframe bushings? You do realize that they bend when you are driving. And the stock motor mounts do too. Your drivetrain isn't bolted to the body. The driveshaft moves around, thats the point of all the components like the CSB and guibo...

              Unless your driveshaft is off a LOT (ie __/ ) you have nothing to worry about.
              ///Alpinweiß II 24v 91' 318is, Alpinweiß III 99' 323i, 04' Yamaha R6 SE for sale, 00' VW GTi, 83' El Camino BURNED, 01' P71sold, 92' Miatasold

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                #8
                I'm looking at the factory manual and BMW had a tool available to check that so it must mean something.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by asubimmer View Post
                  I'm sorry but thats crazy talk. Subframe bushings? You do realize that they bend when you are driving. And the stock motor mounts do too. Your drivetrain isn't bolted to the body. The driveshaft moves around, thats the point of all the components like the CSB and guibo...

                  Unless your driveshaft is off a LOT (ie __/ ) you have nothing to worry about.
                  the point of the adjustment is so that in steady state conditions, ie highway cruising, the driveshaft is 'at rest' or in the ideal position. most of your miles are done with the driveshaft in a steady state, so you want to make sure that the alignment is good to minimise noise, vibration and wear. while on the highway, your driveshaft isnt flexing about!

                  of course when you are accelerating, braking or turning, your driveline flexes and moves and thats why you need the joints, to allow for this. so with every flex, your driveshaft shifts away from its ideal position for a moment, but then returns. i prefer this than it spending all its life in a non ideal position.

                  anyway, i dont even know why im explaining this to a guy who thinks brake ducts are a life hazard.
                  90 E30 325i

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                    #10
                    The guys who engineered our cars know WAY more about how and why a car works well.

                    I drove TONS of these cars off the lot, lowered, stock, M3, cabby, whatever, i drove them.

                    None had the vibration mine does, and ALL of my shit is whacked, as I have expected to do a motor swap for 5 years now, so never cared about how this POS works.

                    Now it is time to get busy with the measuring stick!

                    Closing SOON!
                    "LAST CHANCE FOR G.A.S." DEAL IS ON NOW

                    Luke AT germanaudiospecialties DOT com or text 425-761-6450, or for quickest answers, call me at the shop 360-669-0398

                    Thanks for 10 years of fun!

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                      #11
                      i am in the middle of rebuilding my sister shifter, had to remove the drive shaft you better belive ill make damn sure its all straight.




                      Originally posted by StereoInstaller1 View Post
                      Now it is time to get busy with the measuring stick!
                      :borg:

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