Tranmissions and diff's:WTF?

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  • Lee Harvey
    Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 93

    #1

    Tranmissions and diff's:WTF?

    Well since it's commonly asked which trans, what diff ratio, etc. etc. I thought I would do a brief write up of what I've come up with for my personal uses.

    I don't like overly tall gearing, it bores me, I like closer ratio's, I don't like dropping out of my power band, I don't like having to downshift constantly to pass or move around once I'm cruising etc.

    Background: I have an 87 325, originally an eta, converted fully to 325is drivetrain, and then boosted to hell. Everyone said to get a 2.93, I got one, tried it, don't care for it. The only advantages are "quicker spool up" which is neglegable as you're downing the axle ratio and that drops the rate at which you accelerate, and that you don't have to shift into 4th in a quarter mile pass unless you trap over 130mph at 7200rpm or so.

    Let's begin with the fact though, I offer up an in depth comparisson of a getrag 260 with either a 3.73 or 2.93 rear end, and a zf320 with a 2.93 rear end, however I can provide the same information for any given gear box (if you provide me gear ratio's) with any given rear end, and your tire size, and desired redline.

    For the purpose of all of the following discussed, the "red line" is the point I'm shifting at, and that is 7,200rpm. The overall diameter of the rolling stock I am on is 24.9".

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    Getrag 260 - 3.73 rear end: 1st gear 37mph, shift to second 4,100rpm up to 65mph, shift to third 4600rpm up to 102, shift to fourth 5150rpm up to 143mph, shift to 5th 5800rpm up to 176mph

    5th gear cruising speeds: 60mph 2450rpm, 70mph 2850rpm, 80mph 3300rpm
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    Getrag 260 - 2.93 rear end: 1st gear 47mph, 2nd gear 4600rpm, 3rd gear 130mph, 4th gear 182mph, 5th gear 225mph

    Shift points remain the same as actual egar ratio's remain unchanged, only final drive ratio change means only road speeds change in relation to shift points.

    5th gear cruising speeds: 60mph 1900rpm, 70mph 2300rpm, 80mph 2600rpm
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    ZF 320 - 2.93 rear end: 1st gear 43mph, shift to 2nd 4,200rpm up to 73mph, shift to 3rd 4,800rpm up to 110mph, shift to 4th 5,400rpm up to 147, shift to 5th 5,800rpm up to 176mph

    5th gear cruising speeds: 60mph 2400rpm, 70mph 2700rpm, 80mph 3100rpm
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    What does any of this mean? Well for me it mean I strongly disagree witht he notion that a 2.93 should be used on a turbo m20, as I always have, and I find that a ZF320 would provide even more favorable gearing in any situation to a getrag 260 w/3.73, and even with it's 1:1 5th it is better highway cruising.

    If you would like any other combinations done post them up, just need gear ratio's of the transmission you are interested in, and which diff you'd like to see put behind it, I can plug in my vehicle specs from there or use yours if you'd like it custom tailored, but will probably post all results based on mine so all results in this first post are directly showing only differenes in trans/diff's, and don't reflect changes based on tire sizes and engine rpm.
  • Supadave
    E30 Enthusiast
    • Aug 2010
    • 1006

    #2
    Can you hook me up? i was thinking about going with a 3.73 diff. I have a 240 trans, and I have 16" wheels with 215/40 ( I dont know the total diameter) My red line is 8000 rpm
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    • shiboujin
      R3VLimited
      • Feb 2006
      • 2791

      #3
      FYI I figured out trans ratios http://e30performance.info/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=941

      Status: HG repair. 488wtq though!

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      • Lee Harvey
        Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 93

        #4
        Originally posted by Supadave
        Can you hook me up? i was thinking about going with a 3.73 diff. I have a 240 trans, and I have 16" wheels with 215/40 ( I dont know the total diameter) My red line is 8000 rpm
        8000rpm 39mph 72mph 110mph 145mph 179mph

        Red line shift in 1st 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th, you land in second at 4,300rpm, third at 5,200rpm, fourth at 6050rpm, and 5th at 6450 rpm.

        Hwy cruising as follows: 2700rpm 60mph, 3100rpm 70mph, 3600rpm 80mph

        Good diff/trans combo and nice gearset spacing for a high revving engine, with a peakier power band you need to keep momentous. Only time you are under 5k is going into second, and 1st gear of course, but 1st and second are quicker gears anyways, if you are making your power up high that looks like a great choice.

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        • shiboujin
          R3VLimited
          • Feb 2006
          • 2791

          #5
          how are you computing where the shift puts you? EG first to second puts you to 4300 rpms

          Status: HG repair. 488wtq though!

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          • e30huh
            Wrencher
            • Aug 2010
            • 216

            #6
            3.25

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            • Lee Harvey
              Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 93

              #7
              Map the gearing, final drive, and axle ratio and redline into a spread sheet that spits out a table of engine speed vs road speed, in increments of 100rpm from idle to redline, look at top speed in one gear, then reference that soeed on the next gears collumn to find the corresponding engine speed.

              If you want a great free tool for this, f-body.org/gears is a good one.

              The info you should be interest in is terminal velocity in each gear, rpm entering each gear after first, and cruising rpms in 5th gear, for economy and drone.

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              • Supadave
                E30 Enthusiast
                • Aug 2010
                • 1006

                #8
                Originally posted by Lee Harvey
                8000rpm 39mph 72mph 110mph 145mph 179mph

                Red line shift in 1st 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th, you land in second at 4,300rpm, third at 5,200rpm, fourth at 6050rpm, and 5th at 6450 rpm.

                Hwy cruising as follows: 2700rpm 60mph, 3100rpm 70mph, 3600rpm 80mph

                Good diff/trans combo and nice gearset spacing for a high revving engine, with a peakier power band you need to keep momentous. Only time you are under 5k is going into second, and 1st gear of course, but 1st and second are quicker gears anyways, if you are making your power up high that looks like a great choice.
                Thanks lee harvey, this sounds ideal for what i want
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                https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=420591 5.3 LSA build in progress :devil:

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                • Lee Harvey
                  Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 93

                  #9
                  Originally posted by e30huh
                  3.25
                  On getrag 260?

                  7200rpm 43mph 75mph 117mph 164mph 202mph

                  60mph 2100rpm, 70mph 2500rpm, 80mph 2800rpm.

                  no need to list rpm's, rpm's are based on engine+trans, diff ratio swaps change only terminal velocity in each gear, and the rate at which each gear accelerates, which have an inverse relationship, but one that is slightly less severely inverse with a boosted motor due to the added load on the engine.

                  The 3.25 was also in consideration but I didn't post it, still too tall up top, useless 5th gear.

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                  • e30huh
                    Wrencher
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 216

                    #10
                    thanks Lee...i just switched the 3.73 open for a 3.25 lsd with my 2.7i. i think it's a good compromise between streets and highways and i'm hitting 3300 rpm @80mph vs 4500 rpm @80 with the 3.73.

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