Help us!!!

[Need4Speed1299]

Me and MysterE30 (and countless people during our search) have been having the same problem for MONTHS. We need our cars to work ASAP! I will send you cookies or brownies(your choice ;)) if you help us fix our cars. We have both searched for hours to find threads with no answers.

I have an 87e and he has an 86es.

My car has a rough and bouncy idle (600-1200) at all times, warm or cold.

Both our cars have a rough idle, running VERY rich. When driving, we get a flat spot with hesitation in the mid-high rpms.

Lastly, his car runs a tad better with the 02 sensor unplugged, mine doesnt change.

We've replaced a lot of things and tested everything we could think of.
-Plugs
-Wires
-Coolant temp sensor
-ECU
-exhaust (cat to muffler)
-cap and rotor
-MAF
-air fliter, fuel filter
-Fuel pump
-TPS
-Icv (i replaced mine, he cleaned his)
-and more...

Please help, we havent driven our e30s in months!!

Thanks,
Nick

[deutschman]

sounds like it might be time to take it to a pro...

[Need4Speed1299]

The only things I can think of, correct me if im wrong-
-CPS
-FPR
-Improper valve adjustment? No typewriter effect though.

[jlevie]

My take a definitive trouble shooting guide for this sort of problems is below. I can't stress enough that short of replacing every seal and hose associated with the intake and crank case a smoke test is the only way to find intake leaks, which is the most common problem.

Idle or hard starting problems are most commonly caused by intake leaks and/or
a sticky or defective Idle Control Valve (ICV). The only reliable method of
locating intake leaks is to have a smoke test run on the intake and crank case
and to test the brake booster with a gage and vacuum pump. The complete list
of possible causes of an intake leak is:

Intake boot
Throttle body gasket
ICV hoses & connections
Brake booster, hoses, and connections
Crank case breather hose
Evaporative control hose and valve
Fuel pressure regulator & hose
Injector seals
Valve cover gaskets & bungs
Oil filler cap
Dip stick o-rings
Oil return tube o-rings

While leaks in some of those can be found by inspection or by spraying carb
cleaner on suspect areas, not finding leaks that way doesn't eliminate the
possibility. Only a smoke test will really work.

Once the possibility of intake leaks is eliminated, the ICV needs to be
removed and cleaned with carb cleaner until the vane inside moves freely. When
the ignition is switched on you should be able to feel vibration from the
ICV. If no vibration the ICV is bad, there's a problem with its wiring or
connector, there's a problem with the TPS, or the DME (or Idle Control Module
(ICM) on an ETA car) is faulty.

For the DME (or ICM) to control idle, the idle switch in the TPS must work
correctly. The switch should close when the throttle stop is 0.020-0.060" off
the idle stop screw.

The fuel system should be tested via the suite of tests in the Bentley manual
as invalid rail pressure can be a contributor to idle and starting problems. A
simple injector check is to pull the injectors, jumper the fuel relay to run
the pump, and see if the injectors are leaking. You can also point the
injectors into a towel, remove the coil wire, and crank the engine to see if
all of the injectors appear to be spraying in a similar fashion. The best
approach to possible injector problems is to have the injectors cleaned and
flow tested. Since raw fuel can or will be released in these tests, have a
fire extinguisher handy.

The O2 sensor can be a contributor to idle problems. The O2 sensor is a
scheduled maintenance item with a useful life of no more than 100k. If the
sensor has that mileage or more (or is of unknown age), replace it.

The AFM can be a contributor. If the vane doesn't move freely or the
resistance track is worn the DME may be receiving invalid data from the
AFM. And if someone has fiddled with the bypass air adjustment the DME may be
unable to stabilize idle. The bypass air adjustment should only be adjusted
per the procedure in the Bentley and with an exhaust gas analyzer. And even
then everything else associated with engine management has to first be
operating properly. If the AFM becomes a suspect, replacement with a good used
unit is the best approach.

Improperly adjusted or malfunctioning valves will affect idle and starting. As
can compression issues from ring or cylinder wear. A valve adjustment is
called for every 15k. A useful diagnostic is to run compression and leak down
tests on the engine. And aged ignition wires, plugs, distributor cap, or
rotor can cause problems. Insulation does break down with time and heat. And
since the youngest E30 is going on 19 years old, if the ignition system is
original or the plugs are old replacement is indicated.

Although not usually a problem, a bad DME temp sensor is a possibility. That
generally won't cause an unstable idle, but can cause hard cold or hard hot
starts and/or a rough idle. As can problems with the timing reference sensors.

When all other possibilities have been eliminated and idle or starting
problems persist, replacement of the DME, or if applicable the ICM, is
indicated.

[Need4Speed1299]

I unplug my ICM while running, no change. I unplug my ICV, no change. Does that help with anything?

Edit- The last thing I can think of is some sort of wiring issue. Any ideas on where? I read on another forum that it could be the prongs inside the harness that connects to the ECU, according to someone that fixed the problem with this issue.

[dashboardmonkey]

etas have "high" rpms?

try checking for vac leaks