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  • iso_hi
    E30 Addict
    • Dec 2014
    • 510

    #1

    Failed Smog 3rd Time - What's Wrong?

    So today my new 1992 325iC failed smog for the second time. In both tests there was no CO% at 25mph and my NO% was also too high on both tests. I've replaced all basic items besides my O2 sensor. Would that be my problem?

    Last edited by iso_hi; 09-11-2017, 08:05 PM.
    1987 325 Turbo
  • Todd Black 88
    No R3VLimiter
    • Oct 2007
    • 3449

    #2
    You are lean. Hot combustion temps.
    Run a smoke test on the intake for air leaks. Also measure your fuel pressure while running, possibly low fuel pressure/dirty fuel filter/ dirty injectors.
    Originally posted by codyep3
    I hope to Christ you have looks going for you, because you sure as fuck don't have any intelligence.
    2001 silver/Blk 325 cabby. SOLD
    1988 Blk/Blk e30 factory wide body kit car SOLD
    1992 DS/BLK 325 m-tech II apperance pack cabby SOLD!
    2002 325xit Sil/blk. SOLD
    2012 328i xdrive touring. Wht/blk. SOLD
    2009 135 cabby. monacoblue/blk leather SOLD
    2007 Z4m coupe. Silver grey/black/ aluminum. 1of50
    2010 F650gs twin
    2016 M235i cabby. Mineral grey/Red leather

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    • Todd Black 88
      No R3VLimiter
      • Oct 2007
      • 3449

      #3
      Just saw the mileage on the car. If the head has never been off, you could have carbon build up in the combustion chamber causing hot spots.
      Google high nox and there are quite a few things to check. (Coolant temp sensor/o2 also)
      Originally posted by codyep3
      I hope to Christ you have looks going for you, because you sure as fuck don't have any intelligence.
      2001 silver/Blk 325 cabby. SOLD
      1988 Blk/Blk e30 factory wide body kit car SOLD
      1992 DS/BLK 325 m-tech II apperance pack cabby SOLD!
      2002 325xit Sil/blk. SOLD
      2012 328i xdrive touring. Wht/blk. SOLD
      2009 135 cabby. monacoblue/blk leather SOLD
      2007 Z4m coupe. Silver grey/black/ aluminum. 1of50
      2010 F650gs twin
      2016 M235i cabby. Mineral grey/Red leather

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      • iso_hi
        E30 Addict
        • Dec 2014
        • 510

        #4
        As far as I know the head hasn't been off. Just got the car a few weeks ago. Ive changed the coolant sensor and fuel filter before the second test. I also changed the thermostat because the temp gauge would only reach 1/4, now it reached 1/2 as it should.

        Could I do a smoke test through the FPR?
        1987 325 Turbo

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        • jlevie
          R3V OG
          • Nov 2006
          • 13530

          #5
          Those numbers represent an engine running lean. Since the fail is at speed, the rail fuel pressure, injectors, or AFM are all suspects. Intake leaks would cause a failure at idle. You can check the rail pressure by tee'ing in a pressure gauge, zip tying it to a wiper and see what the pressure is at 25mph or higher. It should be about 40psi. Low rail pressure could be weak pump or bad FPR.

          If the rail pressure is okay I'd send the injectors to RC Engineering for rebuilding and flow checks. If the car still fails at 25mph I'd swap in a known good AFM. If, at that point the CO level is within bounds and the NOX is out of bounds, new catalytic converters are called for.

          It would be a good idea to have a shop run a smoke test just due to the age of the car.
          The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
          Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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          • iso_hi
            E30 Addict
            • Dec 2014
            • 510

            #6
            Would an O2 sensor change anything? I did a stomp test and received a 1222 code, which from my research could be anything from an O2 sensor to running lean/rich. I ordered one on Amazon for $30.

            The car itself seems to run perfectly fine other than terrible gas mileage. No hesitation at any time and doesn't stutter if I blip the throttle.
            1987 325 Turbo

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            • jlevie
              R3V OG
              • Nov 2006
              • 13530

              #7
              A bad O2 sensor tends to make the engine run lean. So that could be part of the problem.
              The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
              Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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              • iso_hi
                E30 Addict
                • Dec 2014
                • 510

                #8
                I get the sensor tomorrow so gonna try that and drive around and hopefully mileage increases. If not I'll start rebuilding my injectors and check fuel pressure as you suggested.
                1987 325 Turbo

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                • iso_hi
                  E30 Addict
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 510

                  #9
                  Failed again after replacing the O2 sensor. The 1222 stomp code went away and showed a 1444 code so I thought I was good to go.



                  Should I pull and clean the injectors or get a new cat? Or I'll consider any ideas at this point. I do have a free retest (test 4).
                  1987 325 Turbo

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                  • Todd Black 88
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 3449

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jlevie
                    Those numbers represent an engine running lean. Since the fail is at speed, the rail fuel pressure, injectors, or AFM are all suspects. Intake leaks would cause a failure at idle. You can check the rail pressure by tee'ing in a pressure gauge, zip tying it to a wiper and see what the pressure is at 25mph or higher. It should be about 40psi. Low rail pressure could be weak pump or bad FPR.

                    If the rail pressure is okay I'd send the injectors to RC Engineering for rebuilding and flow checks. If the car still fails at 25mph I'd swap in a known good AFM. If, at that point the CO level is within bounds and the NOX is out of bounds, new catalytic converters are called for.

                    It would be a good idea to have a shop run a smoke test just due to the age of the car.
                    It's still running lean at idle, just not to the point of failure. Nox is still well above normal at idle, and CO is 0.03

                    Have you smoke tested it yet, or checked the fuel rail pressure at speed?

                    No sense throwing parts at it, your O2 sensor change made no difference except make your wallet lighter.
                    Originally posted by codyep3
                    I hope to Christ you have looks going for you, because you sure as fuck don't have any intelligence.
                    2001 silver/Blk 325 cabby. SOLD
                    1988 Blk/Blk e30 factory wide body kit car SOLD
                    1992 DS/BLK 325 m-tech II apperance pack cabby SOLD!
                    2002 325xit Sil/blk. SOLD
                    2012 328i xdrive touring. Wht/blk. SOLD
                    2009 135 cabby. monacoblue/blk leather SOLD
                    2007 Z4m coupe. Silver grey/black/ aluminum. 1of50
                    2010 F650gs twin
                    2016 M235i cabby. Mineral grey/Red leather

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                    • Sean S.
                      Advanced Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 196

                      #11
                      Do you know anyone with whom you could borrow the entire exhaust system out of their car? Especially someone who has recently passed smog? If you swap out the cats and it passes, there's your problem.

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                      • dnguyen1963
                        R3VLimited
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 2648

                        #12
                        You can check the condition of the cat with a IR thermometer. Measure the temp of the front and back of the cat after the engine has been running for about 20 min.

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                        • siggy
                          Grease Monkey
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 303

                          #13
                          Here is what a virtually new OEM BMW catalytic converter can yield for smog numbers, todays test:

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                          • iso_hi
                            E30 Addict
                            • Dec 2014
                            • 510

                            #14
                            Originally posted by siggy
                            Here is what a virtually new OEM BMW catalytic converter can yield for smog numbers, todays test:

                            Yeah had my brother smog my old E30 which his girl has now and it passed with similar results. I got an new aftermarket cat for it last year so going to swap the system into my car and try again.

                            Do I need any new gaskets when changing exhausts?
                            1987 325 Turbo

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