But when they bind, they will flex. My comment relates to how much they flex when they bind. Rubber will flex more than urethane under similar circumstances, and most stock and M3 CA Bushings don't have grease fittings so they'd be subject to the same binding as urethane (although rubber may not bind as easily).
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It was explained to me that you want to bushing to flex on STREET cars. The work like the sidewall of a tire (when they wrinkle on drag cars). They rebound. On race applications there are far more effective "bushings" than urethane.
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Oh my god, tell me you didnt just tell me to talk to steve dinan. Let me get this out in the open... DINAN BLOWS ASS. Everything he offers is SECOND RATE, and of lesser performance qualirty than other tuners. Not to mention his outrageous prices and COMPLETELY FAKE dyno sheets with bullshit hp claims. Everything about dinan is pathetic so DInan mods remain covered by factory warrantees. Gee, i'm so surprised he would try and convince someone that a stock part is better than non-stock part. I tell you what, you go find me an M3 race car with factory rubber bushings :roll: :roll: :roll: Hell, you'd be hard pressed to find one with urethane cause they probably all use delrin or something fabbed. Reason is, less flex. And what has the most flex out of steel, delrin, urethane, and rubber.......uhh...gee, could it be rubber.Originally posted by aaron_silva
I seriously can't believe you told me to talk to steve dinan. He'd be the last tuner I'd listen to. :roll: What were you thinking? If I had a brand new E46 325 that was under warrantee that MY MOM was going to drive, then I'd go to Dinan and tell him to modify the car. wow...i'm speechless...
EDIT: Just saw your last post: Even on a street car you DONT WANT flex. What the hell point is it to modify a street car then. Let's get this straight now, rubber is only best for a completely bone stock street car, with no performance oriented driving wanted from the driver. I have to say I'm rather disappointed with your last string of posts.
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Say what you want but you would shut your mouth quickly once you have toured the factory.
Aaron
BTW- The people that have been there would most likely agree.Comment
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Here is an example of one of his second rate cars.
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And dont get me wrong, Dinan wouldnt be the first company I would go to if they made parts for my model but a lot of people bad mouth stuff that they truely no nothing about. Rumors are everywhere and it is up to you to find the truth.
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Ya know, I used to have such a high opinion of you. But now you're proving to be as dumb as everyone else.
Oooo, ONE FUCKING CAR. . notice how the label says a ONE OFF 8 series. Yea, I'm not saying he hasn't built serious cars. But look at the business....YAWN.... super lame.
Listen, why are you being so shortminded? One car doesnt make up for all the second rate performance work that dinan does, and stands behind as what to expect from Dinan work. Sorry. How many times do you see that car as a Dinan adverstisement. uhh..never. Wait...can you buy those parts? No. None of the stuff used on that car is regular inventory. Not to mention, again, to have him do that to your car will probably cost 100k or more, who know with dinans outrageous prices. Wait..wait...does that say 600hp, cause you never know with his dyno sheets that are made up and look like they've been drawn by a child with a crayon.
I'd gladly take an 8 series to AA and have them build a car that would be better in every aspect than that DInan 8 and it would cost less. You go look at a REAL BMW tuner. How many outrageous cars have they built? Hartge, Alpina, Active Autowerke....what are these tuners known for? What is Dinan known for....squat.
No one's opinions or tour of a factory can change my opionion on THE FACTS of how lame Dinan is and their second rate performance products....
EDIT: I've done a LOT of research on dinan. And the facts are the facts. I would never take a car I own there unless my mom was the only person that would be driving it and it had to stay under warrantee.
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My info was not supposed to change your opinion. You obviously have all the facts straight.
AaronComment
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uh huh... :roll:Originally posted by aaron_silva
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They also have a great in house chasis dyno and engine dyno with more than just a simply fan blow air infront of it. Engineering is engineering. I was impressed at the R&D that goes into every product. Why are they the last ones to produce products for cars? They take their time. Very detail oriented. I am sorry, but my opinion does not make me "dumb."
Here is a link to the info on Dinan's dyno: http://dinancars.com/whitepapersFile.asp?ID=9
Aaron
Edit: Sorry for all the off topic comments. It will end now.Comment
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I noticed at Dinan that most the people there were "set" financially. And how we see it, most of us being anywhere from 16-25 see spending that kind of money on performance is a waste because yes, there are places out there where you can get things done cheaper. But a good amount of the people there don't mind shelling out the money they do for Dinan performance.Originally posted by C ///M
The tour changed my perspective of how I now see Dinan. I didn't think it would but it did. I don't really see how you can say they are second rate, they have people running tests and doing research for months, sometimes even a year or more on products that they could have had out on the market a long time ago. They do that to ensure nothing will go wrong with the engine, and that they can give a full warrenty on anything that goes wrong with the part, becuase they know with a year of research and testing that the chance of something going wrong with their "second rate" product will be slim to none.Originally posted by C ///MComment
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I say second rate in performance (should have been fairly clear).Originally posted by Kenyon
Aaron, wow, you're absolutely right. I would love to use their dyno. Then I could dyno a e30 325i and have 194hp @ 5750rpms with only a chip, extrudely honed intake manifold, and free-flow exhaust system. My God, their products must BE UNBELIEVABLE if they can get more power from a stock 2.5l than any other tuner in the world.
194hp @5750rpms with chip, extrudely honed intake manifold, and free-flow exhaust on stock m20b2.5
I thought I'd re-emphasize that for you. Oh look, and they have a dyno chart to prove it. It must be from that awesome dyno they have.... You guys sound stupid. Are you really that naive?
Notice I said sound stupid, not are.. I take back negative comments I said towards your intelligence as there was no need. But your argument sounds very empty.
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We all must not be mature enough to agree to disagree. Dumb.
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You can think whatever you want. I feel sorry for you.
I would never believe anyone who flat out LIES about the gains EVERY ONE of his products gives.BMW North America REJECTED Steve DInan's products when he tried negotiating a deal. Dinan assciation is stictly on a DEALER to DEALER BASIS. Meaning, the owner of the dealership can choose to endorse Dinan Products and sell them or not. DINAN is in no way affiliated with BMW, unlike Aplina and Hartge. Now if you go to these real tuners such as Hartge or Alpina, BMW provides them with chassis's to sell under the BMW/Alpina or BMW/Hartge name. BMW accepts their products and tuning.
If Dinan's work isn't good enough for BMW or BMW NA, then it sure as hell isnt' good enough for me as an official bmw tuner.
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