24v swap, 25mm master, e21 booster, e36 calipers....ROCK HARD BRAKES

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  • psyber_0ptix
    E30 Modder
    • Feb 2010
    • 904

    #1

    24v swap, 25mm master, e21 booster, e36 calipers....ROCK HARD BRAKES

    Wrapping up the 24v swap and noticed that the brakes feel VERY stiff. The car does not roll easily but it's been sitting for so long, I didn't know if it was a function of rust formed on the rotors. It drives as though it has the ebrake on. The 735i master cylinder and calipers were installed on the car pre-swap. The pedal feel was stiffer but not rock hard.

    The only thing that changed was the booster. Is there a way to tell if the booster is toast? It looked to be in pretty awesome shape preinstall but what do i know. Maybe it's just a bunch of little factors adding up....maybe check valve...maybe in need of vacuum reservoir. Any help would be appreciated.
    Originally posted by FredK
    However, in your absence, I will likely sit in your seat buck naked while making racecar noises as if I were maxing your E30 out on the Mulsanne Straight while allowing the perforated vinyl to soak up my butt sweat (going 200 mph does that to you).

    My year in Germany
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  • M-technik-3
    I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
    • Oct 2003
    • 18946

    #2
    The bigger master is gonna add to the harder to press the pedal. It's not always consider an improvement.
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    • psyber_0ptix
      E30 Modder
      • Feb 2010
      • 904

      #3
      ok! i'll try swapping out for a stocker. I didn't realize it would make this much of a difference on a bmw. Honda/Subaru's it's not nearly as noticeable.

      OT:
      Also thanks so much for your help re: gauge wiring. Those two fuses you mentioned were replaced and everything is perfect once again.
      Originally posted by FredK
      However, in your absence, I will likely sit in your seat buck naked while making racecar noises as if I were maxing your E30 out on the Mulsanne Straight while allowing the perforated vinyl to soak up my butt sweat (going 200 mph does that to you).

      My year in Germany
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      • jlevie
        R3V OG
        • Nov 2006
        • 13530

        #4
        A simple check of the brake booster is to pump the brakes a few times with the engine off. While holding a good bit of pressure on the brake pedal, start the engine. If you feel the pedal sink a bit the booster is working. If it doesn't sink the booster is bad or isn't being supplied with vacuum.
        The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
        Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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        • M-technik-3
          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
          • Oct 2003
          • 18946

          #5
          I have a 25 mm master and it made the pedal feel, imo significantly harder. Before swapping it out I would drive the car a bit in a parking lot. Get everything moving about and see if the car starts to free roll, E30's are light and you should be able to push them with ease.
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          • FredK
            R3V OG
            • Oct 2003
            • 14739

            #6
            I have a 25mm master as well, and in comparison to the stock master, is terrible to modulate with street pads. When you're exerting your leg muscles harder, it's also harder to modulate. It's akin to playing the piano with lead gloves on. I bet with track pads on the track it'd be fine, but for a dual purpose car, not so much.

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            • BenM
              R3VLimited
              • Nov 2006
              • 2184

              #7
              Are you running E36 M brakes or standard ones. I have the exact same setup with E36 M Front & Ti Rear and the pedal feel is great with street pads and even better with track pads. Like Greg said, if you are running E36 non-M I would definitely start with the stock 22mm and see how it feels.
              Originally posted by BillBrasky
              E36's are the Stephen Baldwin of the 3 series family. They barely hold everything together and they only sold a lot because of the popularity of their older sibling.
              1991 318i Alpine II - S50/5-lug swapped - track car
              1989 325i Cirrusblau - Daily
              1970 2500 - Malaga over Grey Cloth
              2012 F350 6.7PSD

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              • psyber_0ptix
                E30 Modder
                • Feb 2010
                • 904

                #8
                Brakes:

                e36m3 fronts
                318ti rears
                735i 25mm MC
                e21/320i brake booster
                braided lines
                stock pads

                Could pad choice, or lack thereof, be the problem? I think i'll just have to take it for a spin, clear the rust off and see from there. The car has been sitting a while but it almost feels like a seized caliper. The rears are in rougher shape, but I do have a backup set of e36 rears where the bleed nipples will be upside down. I'm probably just too paranoid, but it seemed like a valid concern at the time. I'd hate to run around with practically non-functioning brakes.
                Originally posted by FredK
                However, in your absence, I will likely sit in your seat buck naked while making racecar noises as if I were maxing your E30 out on the Mulsanne Straight while allowing the perforated vinyl to soak up my butt sweat (going 200 mph does that to you).

                My year in Germany
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                • M-technik-3
                  I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 18946

                  #9
                  Bust out the one man bleeder and flush the system.
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                  • Gnarles
                    Grease Monkey
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 342

                    #10
                    The e21 booster is smaller than the stock booster and will provide less assist. This coupled with the larger master cylinder could be the cause of your stiff brake pedal.

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                    • psyber_0ptix
                      E30 Modder
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 904

                      #11
                      Originally posted by M-technik-3
                      Bust out the one man bleeder and flush the system.
                      Fluid is 2 month old ATE Super blue, but i'll definitely give it a shot before driving. Things were apart anyways and i have a fresh bottle on standby.

                      Originally posted by Gnarles
                      The e21 booster is smaller than the stock booster and will provide less assist. This coupled with the larger master cylinder could be the cause of your stiff brake pedal.
                      This is what I was thinking initially. Has anyone used a vacuum reservoir?
                      Originally posted by FredK
                      However, in your absence, I will likely sit in your seat buck naked while making racecar noises as if I were maxing your E30 out on the Mulsanne Straight while allowing the perforated vinyl to soak up my butt sweat (going 200 mph does that to you).

                      My year in Germany
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