Need Help M50 swap MAJOR STRANGE BRAKE ISSUE

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  • MaksV
    E30 Enthusiast
    • Oct 2010
    • 1042

    #1

    Need Help M50 swap MAJOR STRANGE BRAKE ISSUE

    Basically here are the symptoms:

    -extrememly overboosted brakes
    -after a while the brake booster activates brakes without me touching them.

    Specs:
    -NV M50
    -Stock 325i brake booster slotted over 1/2"
    --worked just fine before swap
    -working s50 check valve

    What I have tried:
    -I thought maybe it wasnt opening all the way to allow vacuum on both sides of diaghram so I shortned the fork by a few turns, but this didnt seem to help. I havnt tried to make it longer, but from my understanding of a brake booster that wont help.

    I am out of ideas, and I want my car back. This is literally the last problem from the swap I have yet to solve.
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  • MaksV
    E30 Enthusiast
    • Oct 2010
    • 1042

    #2
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    • Edev
      No R3VLimiter
      • Aug 2008
      • 3731

      #3
      I don't see why people slot their booster over. I didn't do that to mine. My guess would be something that deals with what you've cut away. But then again, I know a few people who haven't had any issues with theirs that way.
      M Coupe

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      • MaksV
        E30 Enthusiast
        • Oct 2010
        • 1042

        #4
        Originally posted by Eric Devier
        I don't see why people slot their booster over. I didn't do that to mine. My guess would be something that deals with what you've cut away. But then again, I know a few people who haven't had any issues with theirs that way.
        Well the intake just about sits on the booster as is. There is no way to get it in there without moving the booster.
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        • jlevie
          R3V OG
          • Nov 2006
          • 13530

          #5
          It sounds to me like the booster pushrod isn't returning all the way, perhaps because you have moved it out of a direct line line with the brake pedal.

          I've not done an M50 swap (I find the M20B25 is just fine), but my understanding is that the right way to do this is to use a booster that is smaller in diameter. "Slotting it over" sounds like a bad idea.
          The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
          Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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          • MaksV
            E30 Enthusiast
            • Oct 2010
            • 1042

            #6
            I spoke to several people who said slotting is fine, I mean total distance moved i between 1/4" to 3/8".

            How do you properly adjust the brake booster? I screwed in the rod from under the dash to make sure it comes back compltely, is there a lock nut, or something thathas to be adjusted from the front?
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            • jlevie
              R3V OG
              • Nov 2006
              • 13530

              #7
              The only adjustment there is on the booster is for the clevis that connects to the pedal. If the cause of the problem isn't from offsetting the booster I'd suspect a bad booster. Though I've not heard of one spontaneously applying the brakes.
              The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
              Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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              • MaksV
                E30 Enthusiast
                • Oct 2010
                • 1042

                #8
                Originally posted by jlevie
                The only adjustment there is on the booster is for the clevis that connects to the pedal. If the cause of the problem isn't from offsetting the booster I'd suspect a bad booster. Though I've not heard of one spontaneously applying the brakes.
                it worked fine with my m20. Literally just swapped engines, didnt do anything to booster. It worked fine before.
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                • jlevie
                  R3V OG
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 13530

                  #9
                  Well since the only thing you did to a working brake system was to offset the booster, it would seem like that is the cause of the problem.
                  The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                  Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                  • MaksV
                    E30 Enthusiast
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 1042

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jlevie
                    Well since the only thing you did to a working brake system was to offset the booster, it would seem like that is the cause of the problem.
                    sure but I dont understand why. also it is listed as a common thing and there are plenty of people who have done this with no ill effect. So i wonder if I simply need to make some adjustment.
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                    • Wh33lhop
                      R3V OG
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 11705

                      #11
                      Because now you are shearing the rod as well and that is probably binding at the coupling between the clevis and the pedal.

                      When I thought I was going to relocate the booster like this, I modified my brake pedal by drilling a hole through the pedal stalk, then connecting the clevis to the actual pedal (as opposed to the tab that it normally connects to). That would alleviate a lot of the shearing and likely most of the binding.
                      paint sucks

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                      • MaksV
                        E30 Enthusiast
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 1042

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Wh33lhop
                        Because now you are shearing the rod as well and that is probably binding at the coupling between the clevis and the pedal.

                        When I thought I was going to relocate the booster like this, I modified my brake pedal by drilling a hole through the pedal stalk, then connecting the clevis to the actual pedal (as opposed to the tab that it normally connects to). That would alleviate a lot of the shearing and likely most of the binding.
                        I may have to try that, but it would be hard to get a drill in there.
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                        • nrubenstein
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 3148

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MaksV
                          I may have to try that, but it would be hard to get a drill in there.
                          Taking the pedal out is easy. Is the clevis mounted to the pedal in stock fashion, or to the side of the pedal? Last I checked, you needed to mount to the side to keep the clevis in a straight line.
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                          • Wh33lhop
                            R3V OG
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 11705

                            #14
                            That's why you take the pedal out first. ;)
                            paint sucks

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                            • MaksV
                              E30 Enthusiast
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 1042

                              #15
                              how do you take the pedal out? currently mounted in stock position, I would love to just put a bolt through there and have the clevis on the side of the pedal and call it a day,without drilling holes.
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