BBK: Massive Brakes vs. UUC

[Ben Carufel]

Here's UUC's new BBK for 15" wheels...

http://store.nexternal.com/shared/St...t=products.asp

Your thoughts on how it compares to the Massive Brakes kit?

[mudflaps]

ask trent, lol

[Madhatter]

Dynalite calipers flex quite a bit and are well known within the industry to do so. I think its the chief reason why lee went with forged superlites. They go on to mention the superlite down the page, but it only makes thing confusing as it clearly says at the top it comes with the dynalite caliper.

It also doesnt list the rotor size, only the diameter and not the thickness. Looking at the pics it looks like its a .82 rotor though, nowhere near as thick as the 1.25 lee has in the racing kit. That means it isnt going to disipate heat as well, so you really need to compare it to his street kit which is pretty much the same price, though you need to purchase pads.

Other thing that looks stronger is lees hat design, the whole hat looks thicker and appears to be milled rather than a modified existing wilwood hat. I notice lee has had a problem with a different E30 hub that was found, so im wondering if they will go through the same problems he did.

UUC dont really tell you a lot about the kit though which is surprising, they keep mentioning the superlite range as if to throw you off the fact you have the cheaper, inferior dynalite caliper, they dont have much in the way of pics either, would be good to see what their brackets look like.

So yeah, their 11.75x.82 rotor based kit is a little cheaper, but lees racing kit is far superior with better calipers and rotors for only a few bucks more.

[M3TROY]

i looking to get a BBK in the next week or 2 so ive been wondering about this myself.
waiting to find out what one is better so i can purchase it.
almost pulled the trigger on the Massive Brakes kit but then the UUC one came out literally the day before

[Massive Lee]

Hi everyone.

Both brands do different products. UUC's stuff is great. So are Massive's. There's no competition for the same market. Massive aims at the racers who have needs for extra enduring brakes. Which is why, as MadHatter mentionner, we focused on the Race kit with extra thick 11.75" x 1.25" (300mm x 32mm) rotors (which are way thicker than even AP Racing custom kits sourced from KVR and cost half as much), and the use of Wilwood's Superlite forged aluminum caliper. No compromise is made with the race kit. In 15" size, only Team Dynamic wheels will work, or Kosei K1 with spacers. No need to get some air ducting with that kit (another $300 saving). Pads are extra thick 21mm and bigger than Dynalites.

Those who need a bit more clearance can opt for the Street kit with 0.81" rotors and Superlite calipers. Will brake just as strong, but will need air ducts. The benefit is better whel clearance. Yes, the Sport kit is available with Dynalite calipers, it is a very potent kit too, but not as strong and consistent as the Race kit.

As far as mentioning Trent in this discussion, I don't think he is the typical Massive customer. If a guy doesn't want to be helped, what can you do? I have certain customers with whom I have exchanged over 50 emails. Some related to the Massive kits, others related to how to build a racecar. I don't think you will get that support from many vendors...

Massive will be supporting a Targa Newfoundland competitor, as well as some KP racers in 2008.

[einstein57]

I like the fact that the massive set comes with the option of upgrading the calipers but i like the fact you can get a larger rotor with from uuc. Any chance you'll come out with a front race kit with the 12.2x1.25 rotor?

[Kovs]

Hi everyone.

As far as mentioning Trent in this discussion, I don't think he is the typical Massive customer. If a guy doesn't want to be helped, what can you do? I have certain customers with whom I have exchanged over 50 emails. Some related to the Massive kits, others related to how to build a racecar. I don't think you will get that support from many vendors...

Prior to purchasing my racing kit, I had never heard of Lee or Massive Brakes. I bought on blind faith and have ZERO regrets. As far as customer support, not only does Lee respond to his e-mails promptly, he also answers his cell phone on weekends and drops everything to answer installation questions. I initially had an issue with BMW changing the design of their wheel bearings and Lee's brake hat not fitting correctly with the new design. Lee re-designed his brake hat, had it machined and sent out to me inside of a week, no questions asked.

As far as performance, I just returned from a weekend at Summit Point and Lee's kit performed exactly as advertised - flawlessy.

[emi325i]

UUC's sport kit doesn't fit 15" wheels, contrary to their claim. I went through a lot of trouble to get the kit to fit with 15" wheels. I even bought the TD pro race wheels they recommended and they still didn't fit. The dynalite caliper doesn't clear the wheel barrel in the narrower section close to the spokes.

I ended up returning the kit with a 15% re-stocking fee. It's bullshit, considering the false advertising, but I didn't want to deal with it.

[Massive Lee]

Hey emi325i

Sorry to hear your misfortune. In order to educate myself, do you remember what size were the rotors on that kit? If indeed it didn't fit a Pro Race 1.0 or 1.2 wheel, then that kit will not fit any 15" rim, unless (very) thick spacers are used.

[bwh13]

It's been my experience that the Dynalites DO NOT flex if the piston sizes are appropriate for the vehicle. Flex of calipers is usually caused by extreme lines pressures, and then it's not the caliper body, but the pistons that are flexing. Too small a piston will require more force to get the same pressure as a larger piston, given the same pedal pressure. We ran into this a few years ago with kits we made for some older Nissans.

The Dynalites also have a larger radial footprint than the Superlite, but are narrower across the body. It's often a toss up as to which one to use in certain situations, but we have found both calipers have their uses in making up new kits.

We tend to use the Superlites for cars weighing over 2500 lbs and have found success in a lot of racing classes, having recently won a race series championship for open class Hondas pushing 300 hp at the front wheels.

Another caliper we use is the Dynapro which has dust seals for better piston protection. I've got a kit made up for my car using the Dynapro with 11.75" rotors to slow down my soon to be completed S52 equipped 325is.......

We were going to make kits for the Bimmers, but Massive beat us to it, and we usually don't go into markets where there are already kits fairly priced for the masses.