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[SA E30]

everyone always saying that good rotors and fluid are good enough for the track...

I mean, I know it's a big step up from ur regular BMW supplied stuff...

but I found that they just didn't cut it on the track.

I used BMW Rotors, Hawk HP Plus, Motul RBF 600, and braided lines.

I also tried this setup with a EBC Yellowstuff pad, and that was worse than a stock pad, I just seemed to overheat them very quickly.

I found this was ok, but the braking performace is nothing to write home about, so either most of the guys on here haven't driven a car with good brakes, or you all playing follow the leader.

I just dont get it.

[AndrewBird]

I think the consensus is that stock brakes are good for STREET, not track. Otherwise, it would be a good upgrade.

This is what I've encountered (on this forum) anyway.

[92 mtechnic cabrio]

are you running brake ducts?

the brake ducts make a huge difference

[SA E30]

I used to run the std BMW ones... but that is no longer an issue with the new car...

[jlevie]

In my opinion HP+ pads are barely adequate for the track. Hawk HT10's or better yet Performance Friction 01 pads work just a whole lot better. But regardless of what pads you use front brake cooling ducts are essential for track time. The only down side to the HT10's or PF01's is that you don't run those on the street. But changing pads at the track (while changing to r-comps) isn't that big of a deal.

[2002maniac]

Those are auto-x pads. Get some decent track pads. I use HT-10 compound

[SA E30]

I was just saying, it's not what I'm planning to use, on the new car (E46 M3 discs, and Brembo Callipers)

I just dont think the std size dics and calliper cuts it at the track, maybe on a failry stock 2.5lt motor...

[Brian D]

So, everyone running SpecE30 is wrong, according to you.

My point is, what's right for one racing series, or car, or driver, will be different than the next. Why does everyone have to get on these forums and shit the place up with thier opinions, stated as fact?

Glad to hear that you are hard on brakes as a driver, is one way to say it. Glad to hear that you have a lot of horsepower and need bigger brakes, is another. You needing bigger brakes doesn't negate the guys running stockers, nor do they negate your need. Just DO IT!

[SA E30]

Did I just shit on ur battery ????

and maybe the reason that they arent allowed to run big brakes is to keep costs down...

AFAIK, I'm not clued up on ur guys, MOD, D mod... whatever racing, but I recall that the higher up in the classes u go brakes tend to be upgraded... if the brakes are so spectacular on e30's how come they upgraded ?

U should reaslise that YOU are the pot calling the kettle black... as u are stating your opinion... AS FACT.

[lagoon]

Yeah, maybe it's just me, but stock brakes feel like shit. They're more than adequate for the street, but they still feel like shit.

[Brian D]

Did I just shit on ur battery ????

No, I just think the entire reason for your first post was to start another pointless argument.

and maybe the reason that they arent allowed to run big brakes is to keep costs down...

True, but those guys are door to door racing, which tends to be harder on brakes than hpde, auto-x or "canyon carving". They seem to be able to make it work. I wonder how their laptimes would compare to yours (or mine)?

AFAIK, I'm not clued up on ur guys, MOD, D mod... whatever racing, but I recall that the higher up in the classes u go brakes tend to be upgraded... if the brakes are so spectacular on e30's how come they upgraded ?

Show me where I said that big brakes aren't a worthwhile upgrade. I just think the stockers aren't as horrible as you make them out to be

U should reaslise that YOU are the pot calling the kettle black... as u are stating your opinion... AS FACT.

OK, here's a question-WHAT, exactly, am I stating as fact in my first post?
1) I still believe you think the Spece30 guys are wrong, based on your first post. Yes it's a spec series and brakes are mandated-they're out there racing harder than most people here. You don't believe that a stock based setup is good enough for any track.

2) You don't think that people have different needs of their cars? I believe they do. Who decides what I need? You? That's the tone you take in your first post, and frankly, it rubs me the wrong way.

3) "You needing bigger brakes doesn't negate the guys running stockers, nor do they negate your need. " Yeah, I'll stand by that, I think that's a fact. The other statements in that paragraph were guesses, because you don't give enough info as to why you think stock brakes "just didn't cut it on the track."


Good luck with your big brakes, hopefully they will serve you well. I'm just tired of people dumping on others that choose to run stockers. "or you all playing follow the leader." is dumping on people, if you don't know.

Oh, and you're (not Ur, btw) not even interested in my experiences or setup, you just want to start an argument, is that correct? You just want to stand at the pulpit and preach, without anyone questioning you. That's crap. Oh, sorry, that's my opinion, also.

Have fun at the track. I'll do the same.

[10/10ths]

I used BMW Rotors, Hawk HP Plus, Motul RBF 600, and braided lines.

I use the same setup, along with cooling ducts, no backing plates and an M3 master cylinder.

I used to think my brakes sucked until I realized I was using them too much. After I worked on corner entry speed alot, I realized my braking setup is more than enough.

[SA E30]

No, I just think the entire reason for your first post was to start another pointless argument.


True, but those guys are door to door racing, which tends to be harder on brakes than hpde, auto-x or "canyon carving". They seem to be able to make it work. I wonder how their laptimes would compare to yours (or mine)?

I would love to see if they could keep up with me, as I'm a fairly competent driver... might even be good enough to race, guess I should post up some pics of my S50 race car ;).....

Show me where I said that big brakes aren't a worthwhile upgrade. I just think the stockers aren't as horrible as you make them out to be

You implied that big brakes aren't necessary. Which in my opinion they aren't (as can be seen in my 1st post) , but a std brake setup on an e30 isnt as good as the ppl make out to be

OK, here's a question-WHAT, exactly, am I stating as fact in my first post?
1) I still believe you think the Spece30 guys are wrong, based on your first post. Yes it's a spec series and brakes are mandated-they're out there racing harder than most people here. You don't believe that a stock based setup is good enough for any track.

Once again I say that you impled that it was fact that an std e30 setup is good enough for track. I dont think the Spec E30 guys are wrong, they just have to work around what they are given, but I'm fairy sure that most of them would like to have better brakes

2) You don't think that people have different needs of their cars? I believe they do. Who decides what I need? You? That's the tone you take in your first post, and frankly, it rubs me the wrong way.

If u dont like the way I've said things it's quite easy not 2 post

3) "You needing bigger brakes doesn't negate the guys running stockers, nor do they negate your need. " Yeah, I'll stand by that, I think that's a fact. The other statements in that paragraph were guesses, because you don't give enough info as to why you think stock brakes "just didn't cut it on the track."

Stock brakes didn't cut it as the track because pads and discs would over heat, and induce brake fade, even with Motul RBF600 (even castrol SRF) , and with braided lines... I sure as hell didn't ride on sit on my brakes either.

I found that pads temps were getting so high that the pads would start crumbling after 1-2 20min sessions on a track.


A bigger disc would be very benefical in helping with heat dissapation, and while I'm in there I might as well chuck on a Monoblock 6piston calliper to negate calliper flex.

Good luck with your big brakes, hopefully they will serve you well. I'm just tired of people dumping on others that choose to run stockers. "or you all playing follow the leader." is dumping on people, if you don't know.

Oh, and you're (not Ur, btw) not even interested in my experiences or setup, you just want to start an argument, is that correct? You just want to stand at the pulpit and preach, without anyone questioning you. That's crap. Oh, sorry, that's my opinion, also.

If u haven't noticed I didn't get short with anyone else in this thead, as they were being civil, not accusatory, although looking back at my 1st post I do realise that it did come across as a bit accusatory... which I apologise for, but I was more asking a question.

Have fun at the track. I'll do the same.

Oh, this is what I term to be a decent brake setup to fit behind a 17" rim (and I say decent not ultimate)

E46 M3 Discs' all around

Brembo WRX STi 6 Piston Callipers

E46 M3 rear callipers

Braided lines

Castrol SRF

Hawk DTC-70 Pads

[Brian D]

Oy. This is stupid, you make a first post about stock brakes, with upgrades, "not cutting it" on track, and that people who use them are "playing follow the leader", and then get upset with me for pointing out that people do use them on track.

If u dont like the way I've said things it's quite easy not 2 post

It's easier just to ignore your stupid ass. Buh-bye.

[SA E30]

;) ... thanks dick wad, my life is so fulfilled now