Rear Uneven Sag even after New Suspension! Help.

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  • R3VN R3D
    Wrencher
    • Aug 2008
    • 247

    #1

    Rear Uneven Sag even after New Suspension! Help.

    Hey all,

    I have a 89 325i Auto Sedan.
    Since I bought it, it was lower on the Driver Side by 2"+.
    It was very noticeable.
    I figured it was no big deal because I was going to swap out Suspension anyways, and that would fix it.
    I just removed both Stock Springs and Shocks and installed JOM Coilover Springs and Shocks and the uneven sag is still there .... ?
    Not sure what else in there could affect the Ride Height so drastically.
    Rear Sway Bar?
    RSM's?
    Any thought?

    Thanks.
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  • deutschman
    R3V Elite
    • May 2008
    • 5958

    #2
    Pictures?
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    • R3VN R3D
      Wrencher
      • Aug 2008
      • 247

      #3
      Originally posted by deutschman
      Pictures?
      Post tomorrow...
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      • dashboardmonkey
        FUCK YOUR WAFFLES
        • Jun 2008
        • 6158

        #4
        Rear sub-frame and trailing arm bushings. Or your car has been in an accident and wasn't fixed very well.
        -Andy

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        • SmokeE30
          E30 Mastermind
          • Jun 2009
          • 1730

          #5
          If you have Joms then you can adjust them to even it out. Obviously something is fucked up but at least you can do something about it if te car was in an accident previously then there's not much you can do
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          • AndrewBird
            The Mad Scientist
            • Oct 2003
            • 11892

            #6
            If the car was in an accident, something is bent and you can replace it or get the frame pulled back straight. Not that big of a deal.

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            • R3VN R3D
              Wrencher
              • Aug 2008
              • 247

              #7
              Originally posted by dashboardmonkey
              Rear sub-frame and trailing arm bushings. Or your car has been in an accident and wasn't fixed very well.
              My TABs are def. bad but not sure they would affect the ride height so much.
              I am going to pull it apart again and look for any bent components in the Sub-Frame.

              Originally posted by SmokeE30
              If you have Joms then you can adjust them to even it out. Obviously something is fucked up but at least you can do something about it if te car was in an accident previously then there's not much you can do
              If it was in an accident, I will replace the part that is bent.
              The problem is, I like the low side and I think that is the fucked up side.
              The high side is not low at all for Coilovers.
              If I adjust the low side to match the high side, the JOM drop would not be that impressive.

              Originally posted by NitroRustlerDriver
              If the car was in an accident, something is bent and you can replace it or get the frame pulled back straight. Not that big of a deal.
              I did notice when I put the Driver Side Shock on, it was contacting the inner Wheel Well and the other side wasn't..
              Maybe Rear Sub Frame Mounts unevenly bad?
              Last edited by R3VN R3D; 01-27-2013, 09:21 AM.
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              • jlevie
                R3V OG
                • Nov 2006
                • 13530

                #8
                Yeah i might have to have it towed off a cliff. Lol all my parts are oem with the exeption of my cap and rotor which are napa echlin. The fuel tank is clean and has a new pump in it and new filter outside, il double check my fuel lines but it definitely seems like an electrical glitch. The tach, mpg, and coolant temp gauge all snap to 0 when it bucks/chokes
                That sounds like something is bent. It could be the trailing arm or subframe, if you are lucky as those parts can be replaced. But it could be the unibody in which case it will need to go on a frame machine.
                The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                • R3VN R3D
                  Wrencher
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 247

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jlevie
                  That sounds like something is bent. It could be the trailing arm or subframe, if you are lucky as those parts can be replaced. But it could be the unibody in which case it will need to go on a frame machine.
                  Do you think if I took the Car to my Alignment Shop he could diagnose what is going on back there, or should I just take it straight to a Frame Shop and see if they can find any Dimensions off..?


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                  • Earendil
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 1662

                    #10
                    Half for the OPs sake, and half for my education, but it couldn't be the RTABs right? If the car is sitting motionless on a flat surface the springs are the thing holding the body away from the trailing arm, not the shock or shock assembly. And if the OP is right the the rear is sagging by 2 inches, that'd be a big fracking bend in the trailing arm to cause 2 inches of sag, right? Wouldn't that be visually apparent?
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                    • R3VN R3D
                      Wrencher
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 247

                      #11
                      Its not the trailing arms..
                      I jacked it up tonight and the driver side takes longer to lift high enough to place a stand under.
                      As I lower onto the stands, the driver side settles way before the passenger side rests on its stand.
                      I placed the stands under each side of the rear axle carrier and took some measurements.
                      Every measurement I took was even on both sides.
                      Wheel arches to floor, shock mounts, trailing arms, stabilizer bar links and even the unibody rails.
                      All even.
                      And nothing obviously bent or noticeably damaged.
                      But again, as I place the Jack under the center of the carrier or even under the differential and start to lift, the passenger side starts to lift first and after 3-4 full pumps later, the driver side starts to lift.
                      Sub-frame mounts?
                      Last edited by R3VN R3D; 01-28-2013, 10:55 PM.
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                      • Earendil
                        E30 Mastermind
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 1662

                        #12
                        1. Always place bodies in the center of the trunk to avoid sagging. Handling is effected if you don't.
                        2. Never run bottle caps on one side and 24" spinners on the other. Front and back is okay.
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                        • R3VN R3D
                          Wrencher
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 247

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Earendil
                          1. Always place bodies in the center of the trunk to avoid sagging. Handling is effected if you don't.
                          2. Never run bottle caps on one side and 24" spinners on the other. Front and back is okay.
                          Almost at 1000
                          Last edited by R3VN R3D; 01-29-2013, 06:59 AM.
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                          • Justin B
                            Sikky Nar Nar
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 4273

                            #14
                            My last e30 did the same thing, but it sagged only about an inch and lower on the pass side. Never quite figured out what it was, but think it was the height of the spring perch on the frame rail vs subframe. If it was off a little, since it pivots it would only be off more at the point of the wheel. There was evidence in the trunk, mostly on the passenger side of porta-power and 2x4 work, and I think the frame rail was a little higher than it should have been, tucking that side. Same problem though, no loss of overall travel, but in a different ground clearance "window".

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                            • noE30
                              R3VLimited
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 2260

                              #15
                              any update to this? I have a very similar issue.
                              New RTABS, New Subframe bushings, all new shocks/springs. Car still sits crooked, do I take it to a wheel alignment shop of frame shop first?

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