Ground Control responds: "Camber Plates: Vorshlag vs GC"

[Hellabad]

hey all..... ive been looking into camber plates myself...one think i have to mention it looks like the spring perch on the Vorshlag kit was the double row bearing...did anyone notice that?

Do you have softball down under?

Have a look below:

I guess this would slightly impact the results.

The pictures at the start of the thread are actual pictures of the parts that erik325, the original poster said he had on his cars. I intentionally ignored different camber plates, in order to be 100% truthful.

Furthermore to measure down to the inner sleeve of the spring perch was sort of useless as the spring would sit on the upper/outer edge true?? Please correct me if i`m wrong....

Well actually you are wrong, and I'm sorry, because you are so nice about it. The reason for that measurement is to show TRUE suspension travel available over bumps etc. The dimensions shown are indicating the limits of travel, which has nothing to do with where the spring does or does not seat.

The whole concept of "stack height" is a red herring (do you have that phrase in Aus?) to draw attention away from the lack of suspension travel. Every one of these camber plates is for an adjustable ride height suspension, so "stack height" as measured to where the spring touches has nothing to do with anything.

Click here for definition of "red herring".

Anyways at the end of the day we join forms to learn and share info... Lets just be sure in future to note all the smaller differences that
impact the final results...ie vintage of plates and anything that may influence the results fairly...or to the best of our knowledge..


Sash

I should take lessons from you. That is a good attitude, which I appreciate.

Jay

[Hellabad]

yes it was correcting mis-information. but erik apologized to him and he didnt accept it or forgive or anything he just gave him more shit, seems like a dick move to me. i would say in his original post he was just correcting the incorrect information given but in the reply to eriks post in this thread he was just an asshole when erik was admitting he was wrong, theres no need for that. but im making a big deal out of something small

This (below) is exactly what I wrote. I honestly don't see very much asshole about it, I am simply telling the truth to someone who made a post that was not the truth. It is hard to make it sound nice.

The plates in the pic ARE the old ones. I assembled them exactly as they would be in 2000-2004.

The new ones are not pictured until we become a vendor.

If you take the plates off of your cars, you will get the exact same pictures as me

I wish you would have looked closer beforehand.


Thanks, Jay

He said "Thanks"

Yes I did.

So thanks to everyone else too for reading a thread about my having to deal with crap. I feel real bad about it honestly, but to ignore the misinformation would be an insult to everybody who works hard at Ground Control.


Jay

[Hellabad]

I just found this thread

hmmm. A softball pitch.

....and was about to mention....

And not one of those fast pitch womens softball pitches either.:-?

that the Vorshlag plates pictured in the OP's comparison dont look anything like the plates I have on my car.

The pictures in this thread are intended to address the specific claims, now COMPLETELY debunked, of the original post. Your camber plates may look different, but his don't. I am trying to be 100% honest here.

My Vorshlag plates definitely have a lower stack height and more shock travel than GC's and i have compared them side to side.

I strongly disagree, and I am very surprised that you would say that in light of the pictures that I posted. Please post pictures of what you are saying.

Looks like someone is trying to heap dirt on Vorshlag with an apples/oranges comparison.

You are incorrect. The pictures of these camber plates at the start of this thread are the EXACT ones that Erik has. That is apples to apples. I intentionally did not taint the discussion by showing our newest camber plates (that are even shorter still).

That would have been apples to oranges, but I didn't and wouldn't do that.

I would be very interested if you could prove me wrong, because there is so much misinformation being redistributed, that it is really starting to look intentional to a lot of people, including myself.

Jay

[2002maniac]

hey all..... ive been looking into camber plates myself...one think i have to mention it looks like the spring perch on the Vorshlag kit was the double row bearing...did anyone notice that?

I just found this thread and was about to mention that the Vorshlag plates pictured in the OP's comparison dont look anything like the plates I have on my car.

My Vorshlag plates definately have a lower stack height and more shock travel than GC's and i have compared them side to side.

Looks like someone is trying to heap dirt on Vorshlag with an apples/oranges comparison.

[MR_SAZ]

hey all..... ive been looking into camber plates myself...one think i have to mention it looks like the spring perch on the Vorshlag kit was the double row bearing...did anyone notice that?

Have a look below:

I guess this would slighty impact the results. Furthermore to measure down to the inner sleeve of the spring perch was sort of useless as the spring would sit on the upper/outer edge true?? Please correct me if i`m wrong....


So to me id say there is really nothing in it like 2-5mm from the spring perch..

I just purchased a set of the Vorshlag camber plates. I Choose them because i liked the design and generally good feedback of the product. It wasnt really an easy choice too...

In saying that I love GC too and what they have offered us E30 lovers for sometime now..
Anyways at the end of the day we join forms to learn and share info... Lets just be sure in future to note all the smaller differences that
impact the final results...ie vintage of plates and anything that may influence the results fairly...or to the best of our knowledge..


Sash

[Mtriple]

I wasnt aware these were available for my older kit. Thanks for bringing it to my attention and I cant say enough about how much better your customer service has been recently. What ever you guys changed and are doing now, keep doing it!

[DRTSRFR]

Yes, the brackets will allow you to loosen the adjusting nuts without reaching under the fender:D

[graphikg]

So does this means that I dont have to reach under the car with GC plates? If I have the free brackets retrofitted. Everything can be done trackside and is easily accessible after 2004 right? Did I understand this correctly?

[dlmrun2002]

••••••thread is dead••••••

Moving forward.

[rwh11385]

My car: Free.
Shipping: $5000.

Interesting marketing strategy there

[DRTSRFR]

He said "Thanks"

[NC325iC]

I don't think that was a personal attack really.

More correcting mis-information.

yes it was correcting mis-information. but erik apologized to him and he didnt accept it or forgive or anything he just gave him more shit, seems like a dick move to me. i would say in his original post he was just correcting the incorrect information given but in the reply to eriks post in this thread he was just an asshole when erik was admitting he was wrong, theres no need for that. but im making a big deal out of something small

[twistednut]

They get a bad rep by not replying to e-mails unless you have purchased something from them. Also, when you finally talk to someone on the phone they tell you that you need to guaranty that you will buy something before they will help you determine what you need. It's been a few years since this happened and I hope things have changed but because of that one conversation they have lost close to $2600 worth of my business. May not be much to a company like Ground Control but I have always said I would rather have 2% of something rather than 100% of nothing.

[DSP74]

i dont think you should give erik such a hard time about this, yes he gave information against your product (incorrect or not) but he didnt issue a mandate for all to buy vorshlag. And ive visited your website once or twice and havent ever read anything about a free camber plate bracket, and unless i knew it existed and was searching specifically for it i doubt i would find it so it is unfair for you to be angry that he didnt know it was there.

a simple post with the facts would have been fine, whether you meant it too or not your post came off as a bit of a personal attack on him. He even apologized to you and rather than accept his apology you cut him down again. Not a good way to deal with people imo.

edit: to business, i have a question. In your pictures you have the deck height measured using GC plates and GC upper perches, as well as Vorsh plates and upper perches right? are your perches compatible with their plates? if so what is that deck height?

I don't think that was a personal attack really.

More correcting mis-information.

[nando]

Jay - I don't know if you want to answer this in this thread, but I know you guys sold a pair of camber plates & modified strut housings to a guy with an ix. I was curious how you came about the design of the plates for the ix - since the ix bearing is inverted (above the strut tower) compared to a regular E30. It didn't look like he had very much suspension travel, but his was quite a bit lower, and he also had shortened housings (with custom inserts??). Suspension travel seems to be a big limiting factor on a track/autox ix, I only have maybe 2" and I'd like at least another inch. :(

I also don't get the horror stories about GC, maybe it was just during an especially busy part of the season. However, I also like "the other guy" and have had good service from them. The E30 "world" being what it is, it's great that we have as many choices as we do for stuff like this. so let's let the facts speak for themselves and keep vendor bashing to a minimum. :)