Best high perf street tire for bottle caps?

[el bob]

Yo homez'es

Are Falken Azeni RT-615 195/60/14 still the best street tire for bottle caps? This isn't a DD so it won't have to drive in snow and ice.

Priority #1 is traction under heavy braking. Turbo 'vert pushing a little powa.

Thanks

[el bob]

Quick addendum, how wide of a tire can you run on a bottle cap?

Call me stupid, but I'm wondering if a 235/60/14 tire from BF Goodrich may work as well?

[regis101]

Need to be careful when putting a wider tire on stock width rims.

Sure, they'll fit. But the side walls will be drawn in to the skinnier rim.
Looks bad for one. Secondly, the side wall will not perform as intended. May even collapse on hard turns.

A good look is when the rim is as wide as the tire letting the side walls bulge a bit as designed.

I find tirerack useful for the specs listed.

just some thoughts

[Danny]

Fork out the cash and get slicks if your doing track work.

Or run 205/60/14 Azenis.

[Aptyp]

205/60 would be the most out of stock bottle cap.

And as far as stock tires, your should go for 195/65. that's the right size from factory. And plenty of great wheels are now available. China bought old designs from all companies and produces decent tires and have the price.

Example are BCP and Michelin, Nankung and Bridgestone.

[Jean]

Fork out the cash and get slicks if your doing track work.

Or run 205/60/14 Azenis.

Danny do you understand the difference between Street Tires, Dot R tires, Slicks?

Also, 195 Tire "A" is not the same as 195 Tire "B".

[Danny]

Danny do you understand the difference between Street Tires, Dot R tires, Slicks?

Also, 195 Tire "A" is not the same as 195 Tire "B".

Yeah I noticed the thread title after I posted.

Fail for me.

[smonkbmw]

i fit 215s on the eta on stock caps. looks wise its ok, but im not sure if im doing more harm than good.

[el bob]

So based on what you guys have said, I'm leaning towards the Falken Azeni 195/60/14. Vulcan tire has it for $65/each.

http://www.vulcantire.com/cgi-bin/tiresearch.cgi?stock=601&f=azenis_rt615_t.htm

The only performance tire I saw in 205/60/14 was the Yokohama ES100, which was discontinued at Vulcan and was $87/each.

Tire Rack 205/60/14 Tires

Discount Tire 205/60/14 Tires

I'm going to do some r3v forum searching for experience on 195 versus 205, so I don't have to ask too many repetitive questions, but any experience from the auto-x, heavy street crowd is appreciated.

[el bob]

This post pretty much seals the deal for me..

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showpost.php?p=191859&postcount=18

I track my car on 195/60/14 azenis, both in wet and dry conditions. You know, "where traction matters", I've never had a problem, they grip well and provide very predictable handling.

If you're sliding off the road in street conditions, that's due to driver stupidity, not something that the car or tires is doing.

-Charlie

I have absolutely no problems controlling my 196/60s. the only problems arise from driver error, not tire size

Odd, I was at an auto-x yesterday ourunning Mini's and track-spec E30's that were on R-compounds with my 196/60/14 Azenis. I think you just need to learn how to drive.

The number of positive reviews of azeni 195/60/14 from r3v guys who I've come to think of experienced autox drivers, especially Charlie, helps make the decision.

[Aptyp]

Except, your stock tire size is 195/65-14.

Why put on wrong size tire? If anything, get bigger than stock diameter tire.

Azeni's are great tire, just get right size.

[el bob]

The Azeni is only available in 195/60/14.

http://www.falkentire.com/#/Tires/Motorsports/

[etxxz]

Quick addendum, how wide of a tire can you run on a bottle cap?

Call me stupid, but I'm wondering if a 235/60/14 tire from BF Goodrich may work as well?

i ran those in the rear for a while. didn't like it, ended up drifint on them and shreading them to pieces. they were more useful for that. 205/60's is the way to go on stock caps....don't get HTR-200's. cheap, but they stunk.

[alpinaclone]

I had 195/60 Azenis' on my stock weaves for a while. I think for a good grippy street tire, they are hard to beat. I think they were even a bit stickier than my 205/50-15 es100s.

edit: The gearing advantage of the shorter tire is nice as well.

[funcrew]

Except, your stock tire size is 195/65-14.

Why put on wrong size tire? If anything, get bigger than stock diameter tire.

Azeni's are great tire, just get right size.

The only 14-inch Azenis 615 available is the 60-series. Other than a slight effect on speedometer reading and ground clearance, shorter sidewall/smaller diameter is usually better for autocross:
1. Smaller diameter = shorter gearing for better acceleration
2. Smaller diameter = less moment of inertia for better acceleration & braking
3. Shorter sidewall = better transition performance