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    Need some advice regarding engine replacement

    Before I start, this car is my daily driver, and has 180k on the odo.

    Last week I brought my car in to get a few leaks checked out, and the news has gone from bad to worse to worst:

    At first they told me all I needed was a new cylinder head gasket, and intake manifold gasket, as both were leaking. So I said okay, do what you gotta do, in fact, while everything is taken apart, do the timing belt and water pump too, for peace of mind. For this they quote me $1250, and even agree to paint my valve cover and intake manifold black. Not too bad so far

    Well, they take the cylinder head off and send it to a machine shop to make sure it is level, etc. (Note: this is a remanufactured head, installed by another shop about 4 years & 35k miles ago) they see that 2 of my valves have small chunks broken off, which they tell me is a preignition issue. Great. After a closer look, the cylinder head has little cracks developing all over due to getting too hot. Fantastic.

    So they quote me $1000 for a new head. Now we're up to $2250. This is where he tells me he can get me a 67k original miles m20 for $3650. This figure includes the cost of the motor, all labor, new gaskets, timing belt, water pump, paint, and a 1 year parts & labor warranty.

    Now, I am a college student, so I'm on a budget, but I can afford both of these options, but not much more. If money were no object I'd throw in an s5x and be done with it. This car is my daily driver, so there is no chance of me parting it out.

    So I need some advice, do I keep my bottom end and go with a new cylinder head, etc for $2250. There is no guarantee as to how the bottom end will hold up

    Used 67k original miles m20 installed for $3650 with 1 year warranty

    Find a motor on my own

    Look for another car, and keep this on the back burner until I'm ready and more financially able of dealing with it


    Thanks guys, I'm really at a loss here

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    #2
    For $3650 I'd buy a beater and work on the e30 myself in spare time. I don't know what your tools/space/ability factor is though.
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      #3
      You are getting owned... buy a good used head for $300 and call it good. 3k on stock/used m20 is insane.
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        #4
        you can buy a pretty nice e30 for $3650. i'm pretty sure you could do a 24v swap for significantly less than that, also. shops around here in portland quote 17 hours for a 24v swap, which amounts to about $1700 labor or a tad less, and can't one procure a 24v motor and all the other necessary things for way less than $1950?
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          #5
          Originally posted by Turf1600 View Post
          For $3650 I'd buy a beater and work on the e30 myself in spare time. I don't know what your tools/space/ability factor is though.
          For $3650 I could get another e30 that wasnt even a beater. My tools/space/ability factor are all limited. I start full-time work in about 3 weeks and I need a car thats gonna get me there and back 5 days a week. Next summer, once I'm done with school, I'll have a lot better chance of tackling this myself, if I decide to forget about the car until then

          Originally posted by Jean View Post
          You are getting owned... buy a good used head for $300 and call it good. 3k on stock/used m20 is insane.
          The cheapest head I've been able to find is the one on the Metrix Motorsports website for $630

          Originally posted by daniel View Post
          you can buy a pretty nice e30 for $3650. i'm pretty sure you could do a 24v swap for significantly less than that, also. shops around here in portland quote 17 hours for a 24v swap, which amounts to about $1700 labor or a tad less, and can't one procure a 24v motor and all the other necessary things for way less than $1950?
          A 24v swap is not out of the question. If I'm spending the $3650 anyway, I'd definitely rather end up with a nicer motor haha

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            #6
            Since time is a factor here I say pick up another car (e30, e36, VW, ect) and put the e30 on hold.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Turf1600 View Post
              Since time is a factor here I say pick up another car (e30, e36, VW, ect) and put the e30 on hold.
              I agree with this, hold off and get a used known good engine for a boatload less.

              Ive been shipping for a cheap beater truck, you can pickup a good running s10/ranger/minipickup for about $1000 bucks in the NE. PArts are cheap and they will usually pass inspection easily.


              the quoted price on that motor is nuts. dont get hosed
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                #8
                just found this on craigslist about 10mins from me: 1990 325iX 5spd 2dr w/ 100k on remanufactured m20:



                and this a little farther: rust-free 85e shell with 87i motor w/ 70k + some mods:

                Last edited by SynSyx; 05-27-2009, 08:44 AM.

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                  #9
                  Yeah, I'm with Jean. Just suck it up and pay $1250 + $300 for a used head and chalk it up to a learning experience. That is, find a used head for $300 somewhere, get it installed by the shop that has your car, and call it a day. $1550 ain't bad for all that work, and beats the hell out of stressing out over swap parts / compatibility / no-starts / etc.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by SynSyx View Post
                    just found this on craigslist about 10mins from me: 1990 325iX 5spd 2dr:

                    http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/cto/1187195755.html
                    I saw this last night while CLing! I remember it said there was rust but for 1500 for a beater why the hell not. That sucks man...but I will get that fender from you some time now that school is over to help aid your car needs!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by SynSyx View Post
                      just found this on craigslist about 10mins from me: 1990 325iX 5spd 2dr:

                      http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/cto/1187195755.html
                      I wouldn't. If an ix is only $1500, you are going to have things that need doing. Also, more rare and expensive parts to break on that car. I would definitely advocate a cheap, simple beater (think tercel or something), and get the e30 someplace you can work on it yourself... the cheapest option and most rewarding in ways that won't be apparent until after you've finished. Even with the cost of tools and storage, you could come out okay. If that has no appeal, either spend the full budget on a 24v swap (although I wouldn't, it seems to have appeal), or calm down and find another way to get around for a few weeks.

                      Ask R3V for help - there are decent used heads out there. For that matter, buy a whole running engine for $500 and put that one in, ask for your m20 back, and rebuild it. Or not. Just don't spend $3500+ to go nowhere. And I would rather have a 200k running engine that has been maintained (and probably partially rebuilt) than pay through the nose for a 67k mile motor. Doing that few miles in 17+ years isn't necessarily a good thing, if you are looking for a motor to drop in and go. just my two cents
                      Originally posted by chileelky
                      amaze about the enthusiasm e30 generate

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by FredK View Post
                        Yeah, I'm with Jean. Just suck it up and pay $1250 + $300 for a used head and chalk it up to a learning experience. That is, find a used head for $300 somewhere, get it installed by the shop that has your car, and call it a day. $1550 ain't bad for all that work, and beats the hell out of stressing out over swap parts / compatibility / no-starts / etc.
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                          #13
                          Assuming I can't find a used one, what about a head from Metrix Motorsports?:

                          Originally posted by Metrix Motorsports

                          BMW 325I Head rebuilt new valve seals 3 angle valve job, and hand lapped valves.This unit comes assembled, and adjusted ready to bolt on.
                          $630, free shipping

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                            #14
                            Thats not a used head, thats a aftermarket modded head. A good thing for more power. But if you want just stock, people have them on here for a couple hundred.
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                              #15
                              Heres the link: http://estore.websitepros.com/1397118/Detail.bok?no=53

                              Where does it say that its aftermarket modded? It appears to be a stock head in every sense.

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