I won a ticket using Trial By Declaration!

[isamemon]

so this relates and relates to the other thread of "blow by ricer".
The day before yesterday I was passed by a guy on a rice rocket, he had to be doing at least 80 in a 55,
then I found out that my wife nearly got in a wreck ( in MY 318ic) with all the rubber necks watching the cops load a motorcycle on a tow truck. a lady rubbernecker swerved into my wifes lane.
guess the guy was caught passing a off duty cop ( who called it in and assisted), the guy was hitting 100+ and passing on the shoulder
( assinine, the road is has pot holes and the shoulders have gravel)

I wonder if he thinks the cops are jerks,,,, I think he's a reckless asshole

there is a time and a place for speed and rolling onto the shoulders

the attached is the article if you want to read it

http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2009/06/11/news/community/4loc10_bikerticket061109.txt

[z31maniac]

Wouldn't you guys rather have cheap insurance than constantly be getting traffic violations?

Lots of wasted money on tickets and higher insurance.

[txtorquemade]

Personal accountability..... a lost trait in most young people. I dont mean to get on a rant but who is raising their kids these days? Yes, most of you ARE kids compared to myself. (52 and as big a e30 fan as you can get so sue me).

I teach college, yes Im the nutty, (kinda sexy if you ask the young lady students) professor; and I see it every day. Young people 21-29 that just dont get simple, civil behavior and responsibility. Driving like your on a race track, no matter how well you and your car may be prepared for it, is still illegal and irresponsible. It seems to me to be an extension of the overall attitude of young people these days.

It is NOT alright to speed, no matter the time or traffic conditions. It is NOT alright to ignore laws of any sort, they exist for a reason. You guys that "beat the system" remember to tell that to the people and their families that are killed by reckless, illegal driving.

I notice no one is admitting they were drinking when they got their ticket. Were you? I would bet half of you that are bragging on how to get out of a speeding ticket were also drinking, if not intoxicated. You may have gotten lucky with just the speeding ticket.

At any rate, before you flame me for what is a mature and logical opinion based on years of observing irresponsible behavior, take a look at YOURself first.

Speed kills... drinking and driving kills. Thats just how it is and why the laws are in place to make the roads safer for us all.

Just my humble opinion.

[veritas.smit]

Personal accountability..... a lost trait in most young people. I dont mean to get on a rant but who is raising their kids these days? Yes, most of you ARE kids compared to myself. (52 and as big a e30 fan as you can get so sue me).

I teach college, yes Im the nutty, (kinda sexy if you ask the young lady students) professor; and I see it every day. Young people 21-29 that just dont get simple, civil behavior and responsibility. Driving like your on a race track, no matter how well you and your car may be prepared for it, is still illegal and irresponsible. It seems to me to be an extension of the overall attitude of young people these days.

It is NOT alright to speed, no matter the time or traffic conditions. It is NOT alright to ignore laws of any sort, they exist for a reason. You guys that "beat the system" remember to tell that to the people and their families that are killed by reckless, illegal driving.

I notice no one is admitting they were drinking when they got their ticket. Were you? I would bet half of you that are bragging on how to get out of a speeding ticket were also drinking, if not intoxicated. You may have gotten lucky with just the speeding ticket.

At any rate, before you flame me for what is a mature and logical opinion based on years of observing irresponsible behavior, take a look at YOURself first.

Speed kills... drinking and driving kills. Thats just how it is and why the laws are in place to make the roads safer for us all.

Just my humble opinion.

well said my friend well said
your the man

[txtorquemade]

Thanks vertitas... sorry for the rant but thinking it is smart to outwit the laws; only it seems clever to those lacking in maturity to see that their actions have consequences.

[Nic01101011]

i disagree, it is not necessarily dangerous (and therefore bad) to be driving over the speed limit. someone paying attention driving at 90 is safer than say someone driving 60 in the left lane while eating(which is more or less legal). the law isn't always right for everyone, maturity is not just sitting back and obeying every single law.

[Kristeun]

Edit: ^Beat me to it :(

It is NOT alright to speed, no matter the time or traffic conditions. It is NOT alright to ignore laws of any sort, they exist for a reason. You guys that "beat the system" remember to tell that to the people and their families that are killed by reckless, illegal driving.

Speed kills... drinking and driving kills. Thats just how it is and why the laws are in place to make the roads safer for us all.

Speed alone doesn't kill. Careless/reckless driving does. Not everyone who speeds participates in that. In fact, according to common sense and personal experience when someone speeds they are much more alert and usually scanning the road for cops. Sure your a professor and I'm a teenager but what the fuck are you talking about? No one in this thread even mentioned racing or doing anything stupid really, let alone drinking and driving.

[downernsp]

There is a 10 mph leeway given in court.

Not what I was told 4mph is the limit,and I work with a retired cop just thought I would clear that up. I argued with him ove the same thing 10mph he proved it too.

[downernsp]

I told you, asshole. Ive gotten people off of like 10 tickets including myself. The system works sometimes.



Mariano

Haha!

[CleanAzzE30z]

Its not about beating the system when you are clearly doing wrong. Im talking about beating the corrupt revenue hungry cops who write tickets for common sense stuff. Not driving after drinking, because all bets are off if youre intoxicated in any way while driving. I have 2 DUI's and Im still saying that. Although the legal limit is rediculously low and does not in any way do anything in the ways of prevention and is a cash cow for all municipalities. Its still a law that definitely should be on the books. Im talking about cops who give tickets while flagrantly doing what they can to subverse and undermine the laws they claim to protect.

Basic Speed law in California allows for up to 10% higher than the posted speed limit given conditions and the latest speed survey taken on that street. Since very few people know this, most of them avoid hassle, bend over, lower their boxers and take the raise in insurance, fines, etc for pleading guilty and avoid going to court. Cops know this and it makes tons of money for the city. Not that the city doesnt need the money, but this is inherently unethical. I fight tickets and win not because I maneuver the system, but because I present a very well-thought out and reasonable argument of which the cop submits his and a judge ultimately decides that I am correct. Nothing that I do is underhanded or slippery. I quote the letter of the law and then state the facts in my case, sometimes helped by the policemans comments in terms of conditions and the like. That is all. I dont want to be confused with some "stick-it-to-the-man for the sake of sticking-it-to-the-man" person. I graduated high school in 1998 and I can think rationally on more than one side of an argument.


Mariano

[nmlss2006]

Speed kills... drinking and driving kills.

Maybe. And when I'll see tickets being handed out for dangerous behaviour in a majority of the cases - I have even given up on all the cases, mind - I'll gladly take my share. Until that happens, please, don't put 'safety' and 'tickets' in the same sentence without a negation and, if you could, keep the moral outrage to a minimum.
Because, you see, I was going through west texas last year. And I was going about 10 over the speed limit in the middle of nowhere, with tractor trailers PASSING ME because I was going too slow for them - and they were correct, incidentally, it would have been absolutely safe to go well above 120 on that particular highway, but I had seen a rest area and I know how things work. And sure enough, a nice constable comes out, gets behind me, IGNORES THE TRACTOR TRAILER PASSING ME AND THE ONE ABOUT TO REAR END HIM, turns on his lights and proceeds to give me a ticket. Clearly the 911 going 90 was much more DANGEROUS to itself and others than the 18 wheeler going 105 or so in the passing lane.
Safety? Please. It's revenue generation of the most blatant sort. Let's not give it any sort of moral justification. I find that offensive.

[Rodoni]

bumping an old thread.

Is it possible to do trial by declaration for a cell phone ticket??

[CleanAzzE30z]

Yes, but how would you win? Is it a moving violation? I guess you could to see if he turns in his side of the story, which if he doesnt, you automatically win even if you just turn in a paper that says "Im not guilty". Ive seen it happen.

[graphikg]

i disagree, it is not necessarily dangerous (and therefore bad) to be driving over the speed limit. someone paying attention driving at 90 is safer than say someone driving 60 in the left lane while eating(which is more or less legal). the law isn't always right for everyone, maturity is not just sitting back and obeying every single law.

^^^ Has a point here. What disappoints me are those people who drive with those poodles and chihuahuas on their laps - don't those people get in accidents too? Having a dog in the front seat and smoking a cigarette while driving should as well be illegal.

[E30Idea]

All I wrote as my argument, so not to further incriminate myself in trial, was "Not Guilty."

I did a nice Cali roll. :nice:

So much for not self incriminating.