Toyota suspends sale of 8 models.

[quickervicar]

You have no idea how toyota awards contracts.

I've been awarded contracts by several large OEMs. Some were Japanese. I know the process.

[tjts1]

the method of production of the batteries and the waste they create in the landfills adds up to be worse then a normal car over its entire lifetime.

bullshit

[UDelaware30]

I was disappointed to see that the prius wasnt on the list. I fucking hate all of those cars and the shitty yuppie drivers that attemp to drive them. Get the fuck out of my way you hypermiling homos. Go buy a Jetta Diesel that gets better fuel mileage and does not need a fucking change of batteries in 5 years. Those dumb tree-hugging fucks will loose all of their 'savings' in fuel when they need to replace them. The method of production of the batteries and the waste they create in the landfills adds up to be worse then a normal car over its entire lifetime. FUCK YOU PRIUS! (and new insight that looks fucking identical)
...end rant. :D

[tjts1]

You are often given very specific design parameters to adhere to, as well as material specs which you have to obey.

You have no idea how toyota awards contracts.

Ford Motor Co. has stopped production of a full-size commercial vehicle in China after discovering that the gas pedal used came from the supplier involved in the recall at Toyota Motor Co.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704194504575030891636493402.html?mod=WSJ_business_whatsNews

[silversleeper]

Sofas on wheels.

That would be a Lincoln or Caddy I'd imagine.

[quickervicar]

Prove it.

As a component manufacturer you are asked to bid on the cost to build a product to Company T's specs. You are often given very specific design parameters to adhere to, as well as material specs which you have to obey. (you can't, for instance, place chocolate pudding in a CV joint) You submit a pre-production prototype(s) for approval from both Engineering and R & D departments for durability & fitment testing. This testing usually goes on for several months. Engineering sends back prototypes along with a list of changes they would like to see. Changes are made, new prototypes built & re-submitted. This process goes on until both parties are satisfied & a production costing & release schedule is agreed upon. Manufacturer then starts production & every shipment will be met @ the receiving door by Company T's QC dept. All items are either accepted (met spec) or denied (sent back for rework). Accepted components then go into production line and Company T rolls out a finished good badged & sold as "Company T Product."

Some examples of outsourced components in a typical car:

-frames (pickups, SUVs)
-glass
-dashboards
-gauge clusters
-seats
-steering wheels
-tires
-batteries
-starter motors
-gaskets
-pumps (fuel, water, oil)
-seatbelts
-airbags
-latch mechanisms
-carpeting & sound proofing
-radio & communications
-switchgear
-HVAC systems
-braking systems
-bearings
-axles
-transmissions
-bushings
-tie rods
-etc.
-etc.
-etc.

My point is: auto manufacturers are pretty much just designers & assemblers these days. Most of the actual manufacturing is done off-site. If Toyota/Mercedes/GM can take credit for their reliability & build quality for all these years, then they MUST be willing to take the blame for their failures in the same manner. To Toyota's credit, it sounds like they are doing just that this time.

[Mstngcobr761]

The Lexus has a pushbutton ignition, not a key. You can't cancel it while the vehicle is moving. Also, it has an electronic lockout to prevent you from downshifting to certain gears while at speed, and locks out neutral while the throttle is open.

You know, to protect the car.

Shut up and let the engineers drive.

-Charlie

You can cancel with the push button start...you have to hold it in for 3 seconds.

[Charlie]

Anybody whom doesn't have the fucking common sense to shift their car into neutral when the car is "out of control" shouldn't be driving in the first place .

That lady whom had enough time to call police to tell her her fucking Lexus was out of control shouldn't have been driving in the first place...you have enough time to call the cops, but can't think to turn of the ignition or put the car in neutral, or even L?

Give me a fucking break. Take out your floor mats and DEAL WITH IT.

The Lexus has a pushbutton ignition, not a key. You can't cancel it while the vehicle is moving. Also, it has an electronic lockout to prevent you from downshifting to certain gears while at speed, and locks out neutral while the throttle is open.

You know, to protect the car.

Shut up and let the engineers drive.

-Charlie

[mrsleeve]

just like BMW, would you buy one Made in Germany, or Made in somewhere else?

You are aware that the the X series and the Z4 are all Built in South Carolina right?????

[einstein57]

Disagree. Love the tacoma. Among other vehicles that are really quite good for their segment.

Had an 02 tacoma. Thought it was the shit till it started stalling (at about 20k miles) After several visits to the dealer and them not being able to reproduce the problem they finally told me to live with it or trade it in. It was traded in for a titan that has been going strong. Also the prius dashboard and glove box are crap. The trunk panels on scions suck balls. I've seen hundreds with the panel missing, dangling, or taped on.

Pretty much all this.



Toyota/Honda built their rep in the 80's, solidified it in the 90's, and have coasted since then. Look at the debacles with the Honda Minivan & Accord transmissions, look at all the problems with the Toyota V6s, look at the tons and tons of recalls on the newer cars. Look at the overall shit quality in a modern accord/camry. They've dropped way off.



-Charlie

I've seen first hand several 90's model v6's cracking on the block where the motor mounts are. Pretty fucked up design flaw.

Anybody whom doesn't have the fucking common sense to shift their car into neutral when the car is "out of control" shouldn't be driving in the first place .



That lady whom had enough time to call police to tell her her fucking Lexus was out of control shouldn't have been driving in the first place...you have enough time to call the cops, but can't think to turn of the ignition or put the car in neutral, or even L?



Give me a fucking break. Take out your floor mats and DEAL WITH IT.




I need an E30.

Sucks ass. I was the victum of suchj an occurence. I was car #1 in a row 7 car.



BASTARD!!!!!

[drift]

just like BMW, would you buy one Made in Germany, or Made in somewhere else?

Or an authentic western Cheese Burger from a place like Denny's or Chinese restaurant ?

[tjts1]

So now they are trying to blame it on the US Mfg Co. that built the part. That is total bullshit! Is Toyota's fault.

Prove it.

[mrsleeve]

How is that toyotas fault? they sourced a company to make them parts in the US and the parts that company is building are failing. The failing pedals are built by CTS...all the jap built cars have Nippo-Denso (sp?) pedals in them and have not had any problems.

Yup you get what you pay for, this is the symptom of the China syndrome, where sure we can make this part for that price but there will be some compromises . built by the lowest bidder that in this case is a American firm. and yeah shit will wear out when it gets old no matter who makes it. Nice try though you get B for effort

[Mstngcobr761]

So now they are trying to blame it on the US Mfg Co. that built the part. That is total bullshit! Is Toyota's fault..

How is that toyotas fault? they sourced a company to make them parts in the US and the parts that company is building are failing. The failing pedals are built by CTS...all the jap built cars have Nippo-Denso (sp?) pedals in them and have not had any problems.

Also this problem has only been found in higher mileage cars, so says
Toyota records, which would mean the US made pedals are wearing out....

Toyota is not in the market to build cars for the car enthusiast, they build commuter cars which is where most of the market is, I work on them everyday and they are pretty good quality for the money you pay.

[svn2002s]

So now they are trying to blame it on the US Mfg Co. that built the part. That is total bullshit! Is Toyota's fault. At least they were forced by the government to shut down the plants.
The issue here, is that they could sell any kind of shit and people would buy it regardless. The press would would brown nose them till the end. Maybe now that they kill the US based brands they will go after Toyota.
It is well documented that every time there is/was a recall from Ford/Gm/Chrysler the news will make the front page of newspapers. If it was a Jap/German the news would get bury in the back.
In the past 15 years I had 8 new cars (My business, wife and myself). 6 domestic an e46 330i and a clk 500 (current wife's car). Guess which cars love to see the dealer?

How come nobody went after Mercedes after they destroy Chrysler? They left the company with a fucked up model line, took the best enginneers and left.