SUPER GROUND STABILIZER. Do they really work

[Skafrog]

I am amazed to find a group of "car people" that are this ignorant and closed minded, not to mention immature. I have too little time to waste it on a group like this. We just did a group buy for an F150 Harley-Davidson truck club buy and it went very well and every customer is very happy and they have seen as much as 15hp on the dino and have dropped 6 tenths of a second in the quarter mile. Believe it or not kids!

Thats fine. Last I checked, we dont drive F-150s. Our cars are not horribly grounded. The grouding spots are ground down, not painted over like other cars.
I am not even going to reply to the other parts of this section.

I am not going to bother with this anymore and there will not be any group buy. For those of you who are a little more educated and serious I will still offer something for you. You can contact me directly.

Thats fine. Get off this forum. If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Yeah thats right you losers with the big mouths - you pissed me off and if you knew who I was you would know that there will never be anything that anyone of you could teach me about driving and racing.

Wow. Do you have any clue who is on this forum? Let alone, do you even know the people that have posted in this thread?

Nuff said. Thanks for wasting my time,

Danny Ehrlich
Ehrlich Motorsports
daniel@ehrlichmotorsports.com

Congrats, you have successfully made your company look bad. Go away.

[formula driver]

Look, most of the gains you are seeing are due to poor grounding from the factory.
BMW's have multiple grounding systems throughout the car.

Attention to everyone:
Before you buy this, go and clean your grounding contacts. This will do the same thing. You have way more grounding spots than just the engine block, so clean those as well.


Also, welcome to hopefully the turning point of r3v, where people wont just accept information without some sort of data to back it up.
You can talk till you are blue in the face, but I am not believing you until you give me some solid, undisputable tech.


To convince me, explain to me how the car carries enough current throughout to require the enormous wiring that is offered with your kits.
Here is an example of what you need to prove:

The grounding strap from the motor is gauge 3/0. This means it can carry 328 amps for chassis wiring, and 293 for power transmission.
Let's just say that the car needs to unload 600 amps. This is crazy, but let's do it for numbers sake.
If a 3/0 gauge wire is 1 foot long (as is the engine strap), it will have a .1 voltage loss. We can go almost up to 350 amps before having any voltage drop through this 3/0 gauge wire.

Now, lets move on to the wiring harness/ecu.
If you go measure the wires grounding out to the shock tower, we get two small wires. A 2/0 and a 3 gauge wire.

The 2/0 wire can support up to ~250 amps without any voltage loss.
The 3 gauge wire can support up to ~105 amps.
See where this is headed?

This is only a sample of the two wires that I could see easily in the engine bay. If you want to walk throughout the whole car, and examine the grounding points, and measure voltage loss, lets do it. I am willing to take you up on this challenge. However, I get to clean my grounding points before I test the current loss. This is fair, as the point is that the wire is sufficient in stock form.

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We are being serious. Blowing off requests for solid tech (not just saying that bullshit show tuner transformation has a set doesnt count) is really hurting your credibility. If you want to sell kits, let your brother come prove us wrong.
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Your a prick dude. Thats not how you ask for information. What makes you think he wants to deal with this club now? Its too late. Its a waste of his time. Thank this guy and a couple others from killing any thoughts of a group buy.

[rwh11385]

I thought you had left already? What are you still doing around?

[Skafrog]

Shut up. If he wants to sell a product, he needs to be willing to back it up.
If it in fact is a better system, then he should have no problems proving it.

[formula driver]

pwned. I'd like to see "dino" numbers as well.

Sounds like you really need to find a dumber group to sell to, because more educated ones aren't buying it.

Thanks for wasting ours. SEE YA

Fucking idiot number 2... keep an open mind, God damn!. You kids really need to grow up.

[rwh11385]

How about you.....prove that
a) the e30 has a grounding issue that needs to be solved, and
b) that the kit would actually do something besides placebo effect on the e30

thanks.

"open mind" = gullible suckers who will believe your BS you can't back up? Try somewhere else.

[NC325iC]

i dont know if youve thought about this but these cars are on the older side of the fence, which means they were inexpensive to buy. that should tell you something about people here. im sure the guys with the new F150s have the cash to just throw around and buy these things based on someones word. whereas the more stingy E30 community wants solid evidence it will be worth it.

you also tell us shifting will be smother with automatics. that means absolute shit to most people here because the autos in these cars need more that smoother shifts to be worth while.

just my

[formula driver]

How about you.....prove that a) the e30 has a grounding issue that needs to be solved, and b) that the kit would actually do something besides placebo effect on the e30

thanks.

Nope..... you stupid ass kids have fucked it up already. I like this group, I get a lot of valuable information here and I see a lot of amazing e30's but this is just unecceptable. He was trying to offer you guys a product for dirt cheap and you just fuck it up. If you asked questions nicely and continued making good points he would have continued to answer them. Instead you just bash him. Very smart. Very mature of you.

[formula driver]

i dont know if youve thought about this but these cars are on the older side of the fence, which means they were inexpensive to buy. that should tell you something about people here. im sure the guys with the new F150s have the cash to just throw around and buy these things based on someones word. whereas the more stingy E30 community wants solid evidence it will be worth it.

you also tell us shifting will be smother with automatics. that means absolute shit to most people here because the autos in these cars need more that smoother shifts to be worth while.

just my

Very true, but trust me he thought about that already.

[rwh11385]

"Yo, do you want a grounding kit for your car?.....I can supply one for a real deal, improvement is great, I swear."

[formula driver]

"Yo, do you want a grounding kit for your car?.....I can supply one for a real deal, improvement is great, I swear."

Dude.... do you have any kind of life what so ever? If you say yes Ill know your lying. So dont lie.

[formula driver]

If anyone would like some more info on these kits.... contact him and Im sure he'll give you some kind of a price break.

[rwh11385]

Yes I do. I was in the middle of multivariate calculus but I've chosen to take a break to prevent the fleecing of my fellow R3V members.

Let's review......

Bummer there is no information included with that.

Oooooooooooooooo, HYPER GROUNDING!

I have a grounding kit installed on my car. .......I bought my kit from him in BMW blue and it looks dope. I could tell a small different in performance. Not so much in power, most of the gains Isaw were much easier reving, less sound from the engine coming through the engine, EVERYTHING electrical has improved, and it also looks damn good. Im a firm beleiver in grounding kits.

Believer eh? So we ought to take your word on blind faith? Some of us may take words for facts, but luckily we have some more critical ones looking out for the rest.

I will watch this forum now so hit me with all your questions and myths and whatever else you got and I'll set you straight. You guys will be amazed at what you learn. Promise.

And......what proof did you share??

These kits will pay for them selves in the first year of having them.

How so? I doubt I'd save that much in gas if thts what you're referring to...

That is what im refering to.

BS. Where's my damn flag at?!

I think Im gonna talk him out of a group buy. Its just not worth our time here.

If you'd just post more info on the kits you might get buyers. Your word that everything electrical works better isn't going to sell anything. Some of us here would like to read some in-depth technical details about the kit before laying down $100+ on a kit. I have no doubt that the quality of the materials he's using is top-notch, however, I'd like to read more about the benefits of the kit.

I think you hit the wall early, before anyone got around to completely pwning you.

Just to let you guys know... these kits were originally built with performance in mind. Gas savings, and brighter headlights and such are all just plus's. I really wish I could give you guys some more information on these kits and what there about but Im not the pioneer. In fact, he might have to straiten me out on a few things ive mentioned.

For all you kow I could be lying about the improvements seen with the kit. After he give's you guys some real info... then well discuss weather a group buy is a good idea. I would really love to hook up a bunch of e30 enthusiast's with a quality product so well see!

You'd love to help your friend scam a bunch of E30 owners. Too bad we're too smart and too cheap for that!

First of all a proper grounding system will absolutely yeild power and performance gains. Everytime. The 1-2 hp on those IS300 kits is too low.

You will get at least 10% better gas mileage almost everytime. I have not seen anyone get less but I'm sure for some reason or another it will eventually happen. You will get more hp and torque. How much? Who knows but more than 1-2 or I will be very embarrased. Your car will run smoother, cleaner and produce less emmissions (CA guys if any).

So once again, your word. You don't have proof and you have is "who knows" and speculation.

[gstuning]

If anyone would like some more info on these kits.... contact him and Im sure he'll give you some kind of a price break.

People on this board are indeed fuc*ers,
We enjoy the art of fuc*ing till the death,

Another thing about E30 owners is that we demand answers, and your lack of them is amazing, I don´t think people are talking bad about the guy who makes them but you.

And all that amazing mileage, and horsepower, doesn´t sound dirt cheap to me, anybody can resistance check there ground and see if there is resistance, and if there is resistance then that is a easy fix.

You have proven yourself useless, your friend hasn´t proven anything

[formula driver]

If anyone would like some more info on these kits.... contact him and Im sure he'll give you some kind of a price break.

People on this board are indeed fuc*ers,
We enjoy the art of fuc*ing till the death,

Another thing about E30 owners is that we demand answers, and your lack of them is amazing, I don´t think people are talking bad about the guy who makes them but you.

And all that amazing mileage, and horsepower, doesn´t sound dirt cheap to me, anybody can resistance check there ground and see if there is resistance, and if there is resistance then that is a easy fix.

You have proven yourself useless, your friend hasn´t proven anything

We have no disire to anymore. Answers would have been there if everybody that posted didnt post like fucking cocksuckers.