Once upon a time there were 2 e30 drivers with fast cars and

[C ///M]

I love how you Chris... state that street racing is for morons.

I think anyone that spends $50 and half a day to an ultimate goal of spending 15 seconds racing a civic down a quarter mile a moron.

Question, do you think that tracks and quarter mile strips are then pointless and should be done away with?

Evan and I wanted to see how 2 cars with very different routes to power stacked up against each other. We did.

It was a long, desolate back stretch of road. No one to be hurt except our selves, and in undertaking the act we both assume the risks full knowing.

Question again for you. Did you block off this road to make sure that no one else could get to it? just wondering what safety precautions were taken to ensure the safety of others.

Get off your high and mighty fucking horse. No one cares about your opinion on this matter.

Another question for you. Is this an open forum where everyone expresses their opinions, most of the time not caring much about other opinions? Let me know if it's not and I'll make sure that I do not do that anymore and will spread the word to other people who offer opinions.

It was only posted in the first place to highlight the different methods that can come out the same. I challenge you to find a single person that has never gunned off a stop light, or played cat and mouse on the highway... and I will have (with your assistance) found a liar. Or someone that drives a shitbrick of a car.

Question, do you think you will eventually grow out of this behavior? Also, working at TS, do you think you might get some free track usage? If so, do you plan on using it?

Final question, would you be upset if you wandered onto a normally desolate road and while 2 cars raced down the road at high rates of speed with a chance to lose control and hit you?

Further such opinions voiced on this and related maters will result in a termination of membership. Thats right, I will ban you.

Fair enough, as you are forum owner, thus I simply have a few questions for you that I posted above.

[Jordan]

I don't think them pointless. But I would never pay money for access to the venue.

Of course we did not block off the road. No one else was on it. On our 2nd run far off in the distance a oncoming car was seen. At which point I shut down and we both assumed the proper lane and legal speed until the unwelcome car was gone.

This is an open forum, but you are just being an ignorant asshole.

Grow out of what behavior? I might very well find track usage with Terry, and I'm sure I'd take the chance to explore it. But I won't waste money on it.

I've seen plenty of idiots racing by me in the past. People that have obvious issues controling their cars. Mostly ricers. Evan and I both have no such problems. Losing control (while possible) is a non factor in the said scenario.

Feel free to persue the subject further at your own risk.

[C ///M]

This is an open forum, but you are just being an ignorant asshole.

You define being an ignorant asshole as someone largely against stupid street racing because I know innocent bystanders injured from "ignorant assholes" doing the street racing? That statement is insulting and completely unwarranted. I ask that you think about what you just said. I am ignorant because I'm completely against street racing. Please elaborate.

Grow out of what behavior? I might very well find track usage with Terry, and I'm sure I'd take the chance to explore it. But I won't waste money on it.

By growing out of behavior, I mean eventually realizing that finding out who's car is faster is pointless. One of the reasons that insurance companies lower their rates when you hit the 25year old bracket is that they assume you're either starting a family and tend to avoid risky driving behavior. If you're desperate to know car comparisons, a track gives a viable and safer venue. You pay for the time because that's how economics works.

I've seen plenty of idiots racing by me in the past. People that have obvious issues controling their cars. Mostly ricers. Evan and I both have no such problems. Losing control (while possible) is a non factor in the said scenario.

Jordan, is your driving record spotless? Have you ever lost control of a car in a scenario that you didn't think you could lose control? I know that you have or you wouldn't have had your wreck. I have lost control when I thought I shouldn't have, along with virtually every driver out there who does more than drive from point A to point B. Also, out of curiousity, have you ever attended a driving school or car control clinic and been instructed by people who do that kind of stuff for a living? If not, how do you distinguish between "a ricer that has obvious issues controlling their car" and a normal driver who has no experience other than "street racing" or spirited driving. There is no guarantee that something can't go wrong. What if a tire blew out or there was a peice of road debris you couldn't see? How many other things can go wrong? Can you really say that losing control in any given circumstance is impossible?

Feel free to persue the subject further at your own risk.

And thanks for the opportunity.

[oh2fly]

"e36 5 speed and a 4.10...that's retarded... I mean really retarded...

You can't even use the m50's broad power band. If you bothered with the swap, why use a rear end that won't even let you use the engine you put in the car?

Plus, you probably spent as much time shifting as you did acceleration..

P.S. Street racing is for morons."
This quote makes me laugh! If adjusting torque by changing diff ratios is so retarded, then why have racers lowered their diff ratios all these years? Simply to support the gear makers? Hardly. M50s do have a good amount of torque stock. That is a given. But guess what? You can improve on that a lot. Yes, our car is faster at top speed with a 3.73 diff, but it accelerates slower to get there. Not what we are after. At autocrosses, hillclimbs and other track events where we want the best acceleration off the corners we run a lower 4.10 diff. Don't call that retarded until you try it, okay? That makes you look less than bright about this subject. :roll:

[KDZROK]

I challenge you to find a single person that has never gunned off a stop light, or played cat and mouse on the highway... and I will have (with your assistance) found a liar. Or someone that drives a shitbrick of a car.

I have gunned off a stop light AND drive a shitbrick!

[DarkWing6]

I challenge you to find a single person that has never gunned off a stop light, or played cat and mouse on the highway... and I will have (with your assistance) found a liar. Or someone that drives a shitbrick of a car.

I have gunned off a stop light AND drive a shitbrick!

What car do you have other than your E30? :D

[KDZROK]

I challenge you to find a single person that has never gunned off a stop light, or played cat and mouse on the highway... and I will have (with your assistance) found a liar. Or someone that drives a shitbrick of a car.

I have gunned off a stop light AND drive a shitbrick!

What car do you have other than your E30? :D

lol

Well, I am comparing my shitbrick to Jordan's not-so-shitbrick. Prolly not a fair comparison or accurate description of my girl.

BUT she did get beat off the line by a Hemmi the other day. It was a sad day for me. And I got stuck behind a big ass truck because of it. So, it FELT like I was driving a shitbrick. lol

Most of the time I feel like a speed racer!! Which is also not a very accurate desicription. lol

[C ///M]

This quote makes me laugh! If adjusting torque by changing diff ratios is so retarded, then why have racers lowered their diff ratios all these years? Simply to support the gear makers? Hardly. M50s do have a good amount of torque stock. That is a given. But guess what? You can improve on that a lot. Yes, our car is faster at top speed with a 3.73 diff, but it accelerates slower to get there. Not what we are after. At autocrosses, hillclimbs and other track events where we want the best acceleration off the corners we run a lower 4.10 diff. Don't call that retarded until you try it, okay? That makes you look less than bright about this subject. :roll:

Do me a favor, please read your own thread. uofom3 and I already went through this discussion on the first page and we're all in agreement, but this thread isn't about auto-x or hilllclimb now is it. Please learn to read a thread completely before offering your thoughts, it makes you look less than bright.

[oh2fly]

Chris, it is pointless to argue this with you. I doubt you have experimented with different diffs with this setup, now have you? Then you have no idea if the car in question is faster with one diff or the other. I was not commenting on street racing at all. I take offense at your comments I quoted that is all. I build these cars for a living and should know what is faster than something else in the same car. I could care less if it bothers you that 2 people were street racing. I know the road, and it is about as safe as any you can find anywhere. Was it right or smart? None of our business, really. The opportunity to find out how close the 2 cars are to each other before Jordan left town was the whole point of the exercise. Do either of them street race regularly? NO, period. One time, one place, to find out one thing. Time to move on.

[KDZROK]

Chris, it is pointless to argue this with you. I doubt you have experimented with different diffs with this setup, now have you? Then you have no idea if the car in question is faster with one diff or the other. I was not commenting on street racing at all. I take offense at your comments I quoted that is all. I build these cars for a living and should know what is faster than something else in the same car. I could care less if it bothers you that 2 people were street racing. I know the road, and it is about as safe as any you can find anywhere. Was it right or smart? None of our business, really. The opportunity to find out how close the 2 cars are to each other before Jordan left town was the whole point of the exercise. Do either of them street race regularly? NO, period. One time, one place, to find out one thing. Time to move on.

WOO HOO!!!

[Bimmerfanatik]

Damn, this thread got ugly fast. :)

"Can't we all just get along???" :)

[C ///M]

Chris, it is pointless to argue this with you. I doubt you have experimented with different diffs with this setup, now have you? Then you have no idea if the car in question is faster with one diff or the other. I was not commenting on street racing at all. I take offense at your comments I quoted that is all. I build these cars for a living and should know what is faster than something else in the same car. I could care less if it bothers you that 2 people were street racing. I know the road, and it is about as safe as any you can find anywhere. Was it right or smart? None of our business, really. The opportunity to find out how close the 2 cars are to each other before Jordan left town was the whole point of the exercise. Do either of them street race regularly? NO, period. One time, one place, to find out one thing. Time to move on.

Who's arguing. I have not experimented with an m50/tranny/diff combinations, but I've had my fair share of conversations with the local chapter racing dinosaurs/experts (people that have been doing what you're doing for the most of their lives). I will stick with my 3.25 and my engine/tranny setup and be happy. It will balance nicely between street/track duty as I dont have the access you do to all sorts of choices. The point is, your overall 0mph-~70mph speed time to acceleration will improve with a taller diff which is EXACTLY what you guys were testing/comparing. This thread had nothing to do with auto-x, track, hillclimb, etc..

BUT, i will say that my first statement was not well thought out. I should have been more specific and not generalized that that specific engine/tranny/diff combo is pointless all the time. For that statement, I was wrong.

However your and Jordan's conduct in this thread has been rather insulting and inappropriate... "oh my god, someone in his early twenties that is against streetracing, what is wrong with him" I offered an opinion on street racing. If you don't like it, ignore it, simple as that. Why you and Jordan care so much that I'm against street racing is beyond me. A friend of mine's cousin was hit by some stupid ass street racers doing exactly what you guys were doing on a very "desolate and empty road." Doing a 0-60ish run on an empty road when you practically shut down at the speed limit is no big deal, however the impression that I got is that your run ended well into triple digit speeds as per Jordan's first response to you. Tell me there aren't better choices than that?

In the end, do what you want to do. My opinion doesnt affect you at all, so grow some skin and move on. I corrected my original statement about diff choices, can you correct your rude behavior?

[Jordan]

Jesus Chris. You could not see the point of this thread if it was the only thing lit up in a pitch black room...

[C ///M]

Jesus Chris. You could not see the point of this thread if it was the only thing lit up in a pitch black room...

No Jordan, I got it. Two cars, totally different setups, each unique but still very equal. Both of you have done a wonderful job with your cars.

I included my opinion of testing cars on open roads into triple digit speeds where, you, Jordan, immediately became extremely rude and committed to personal attacks. You think you of all people would give a shit about someone's opinion, whom you'll never meet, on an online car forum. Who missed the point?

[trent]

Jesus Chris. You could not see the point of this thread if it was the only thing lit up in a pitch black room...

I actually think Chris has it pretty much nailed on the head, everybody else isn't seeing the point because they were the ones involved.