What was the E30's Rival...?

[Emre]

If this is true. now it all makes sense to me.

Lee's right. The E30 M3 and 190E 2.3-16 languished on dealer lots. Your typical American BMW and Benz buyer simply didn't "get" these cars. My understanding is that things were the same at Porsche dealers: the 964 RS America was a slow seller.

That's why the M3 and 16V were loaded to the gills with every option available, despite how much the hundreds of pounds of added weight damaged performance. No one was in the market for a stripped-out homologation special; BMW and Mercedes needed to stuff them with luxo accessories to justify the premium price.

[dlhoovler]

I had a Volvo 740 turbo (5-speed) a few years ago, and I remember a circa-1985 ad for the turbo model that touted being faster than the 325e. Not much of a boast, actually, but I thought that was kind of odd, since the 740 seemed more similarly sized to an E28. Of course, a 535is would probably eat the Volvo's lunch in every performance category except fuel economy...

-Dave

[dkbmxer002]

If i had the money and was back in the 1980's looking at new cars. Eventhough i am a domestic car guy. I'd say i'd buy a domestic car over an e30. To me, there's just not that much there thats worth the money in an e30 brand new. I'd be looking at Monte Carlo SS's or over at Dodge looking at the FWD Shelby products. But thats just me.

that's true, there were alot of odd ball domestic cars that had plenty of potential back in the day that so many people overlooked usually in ignorance. they were too ahead of the game on turbo cars.

[TopOfTheLine89]

Mk2 GTI 8V vs. eta and 318s. 16v vs. 325is. How I wonder what lap times would look like. I know my 8v is faster then my 325e when it was stock.

[325ix]

just look at the old DTM videos.

the old 5.0 stangs
Ford Cosworth Sierra
Opel Kadett GSI-- the U.S. version was the Pontiac LeMans ca. 1989
Merc 190
the Golf II GTI- was over here the enemy of the e30s

Thats what I was gonna say! Although these are more of the M3's rivals.

[Simon S]

the e30 never had a rival.

[2slowe30]

Lee's right. The E30 M3 and 190E 2.3-16 languished on dealer lots. Your typical American BMW and Benz buyer simply didn't "get" these cars. My understanding is that things were the same at Porsche dealers: the 964 RS America was a slow seller.

That's why the M3 and 16V were loaded to the gills with every option available, despite how much the hundreds of pounds of added weight damaged performance. No one was in the market for a stripped-out homologation special; BMW and Mercedes needed to stuff them with luxo accessories to justify the premium price.

So Northamerica got fucked over with the E36 M3? That fucking sucks. i know canada did get i think 36 or something like that Euro E36 M3s part of the deal between them and europe. but this kinda sucks, now i feel like the E36 is kinda underrated and has alot of hate for no reason.

[kendogg]

Wrong. It didn't. Notice during the scene where they show the car "breaking down" it's a slow motion version of the previous scene where the cop almost rear ended the M3 because the Camaro had drums and the M3 has real brakes. hehehe

I hear they went to his house later and arrested him. They just didn't want to show that someone evaded the cops - much less a 15yo. Frankly, I wasn't all that impressed by that cop's driving. Why did he have to swerve last minute around the spike strip? He doesn't communicate with his officers to say what lane its in? HAHAH

Not that this hadn't been discusses ad nauseum, but from what I remember reading many years ago, kids dad was a club racer/instructor, and kid got away scott free. When dad found out, he took kid to jail and mad ehim turn himself in.

[Raxe]

the e30 still doesn't have a rival.

[JasonC]

Wrong. It didn't. Notice during the scene where they show the car "breaking down" it's a slow motion version of the previous scene where the cop almost rear ended the M3 because the Camaro had drums and the M3 has real brakes. hehehe

I hear they went to his house later and arrested him. They just didn't want to show that someone evaded the cops - much less a 15yo. Frankly, I wasn't all that impressed by that cop's driving. Why did he have to swerve last minute around the spike strip? He doesn't communicate with his officers to say what lane its in? HAHAH

That Camaro is a B4C "Speical Service Package". Just a debadged Z28 "with other stuff!". And 4 wheel disc brakes was standard them.

[M42Technik]

Mike said it but the Sentra SE-R was a very close competitor to the 318iS when it came out in 1992:

[JasonC]

When i see one of those out of the corner of my eye. I'm like hey an e30!!! But then quicky see its not lol

[Snitch]

LOL at everyone saying E30 M3 didnt have a rival, because who had the most DTM championships and race wins during the 80's 90's? Mercedes did with the 190E. OMG bmw got set in their seats again, kinda like how they backed out of F1 because they sucked.

[JinormusJ]

^ Did you join just to troll-bump a 2 year old thread..? lol

[MattAvino]

LOL at everyone saying E30 M3 didnt have a rival, because who had the most DTM championships and race wins during the 80's 90's? Mercedes did with the 190E. OMG bmw got set in their seats again, kinda like how they backed out of F1 because they sucked.

Three posts of e30 m3 and BMW hate and 190E/benz fanboying