engine swap form a m20 to a s50

[rede30]

If i was very interested in a s50 engine swap what would be a good web site to go familiarize with this swap to see how interested i really am. And just to know exactly what parts i need to get. thanks for all you help.
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[natorious]

might be interested in this....

http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/store/shop.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=6134&Product_Code=ETCCC&Category_Code=S

[vlad]

I am doing the s50 swap in the spring, you will definetly need zionsvilleautosport.com CD!
It has a lot of usefull info about teh swap as well as the list of parts that you will need

[rwh11385]

I am doing the s50 swap in the spring, you will definetly need zionsvilleautosport.com CD!It has a lot of usefull info about teh swap as well as the list of parts that you will need

LIES

Sure it is helpful and a great resource for some (http://www.e30m50.com recommends it) but many people do not find it necessary.

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Rede30, Welcome to R3V! :D

Not to talk down to the noob, but this topic has been beaten to death. The search tool is sometimes difficult to bring up good results, so I'll help you out:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=224 M50 swap

http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=892 Stroker kit or e36 swap?
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=874 Question for M50/S50 Swappers
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=631 s52 swap quesetions,
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=411 m50 swap: Vanos vs. Non-V?
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=274 resurrecting the turbo M50 thread (pic request)
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=275 any one with the M50 conversion

and that's just some of the threads about M50/S50 swaps on this forum. Amazing, isn't it? :P

Anyway, here are a couple good sites to look at:

http://www.lukasbmw.com he's done it, and he even has the cost of all parts. All the tips, pros and cons. Look in modification articles -> M50 swap.
http://www.e30m50.com is a great source, and it follows one boys progress on doing the swap himself

Pete McHenry
Precision Performance
Winston-Salem, NC
910-761-0643

My dads # is (336) 761-0643.

The Zionsville CD is a generic swap kit. It is a "universal" kit for all E30's, and there are a lot of factors that need considering in different model E30's that arn't covered in the swap CD. Examples: wiring info is different on almost every E30; 84-85 318, 84 325e, 85-87 325e, 88 325e, 87 325i, 88-91 325i, '91 318is.

The M50 swap is the same as the S50, as the engine externally are the same. So the process will be the same, the results......very different,

Stu's father is one of the premier BMW engine rebuilders in the nation. He pioneered the swap. He can be very helpful, to say the least. He put an OBD-1 3.2L S50 in Stu's 318is. 8)

Lukas is a member he and has a M50 swap.
Trent is a mod here and has a M50 with M3 cams.
Ryan Stewart is looking at a S50 swap as well.

Here is a BF.c thread about the swap. BF.c is a good forum, but not nearly as technically knowledgable on the whole as R3V:
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...hreadid=161314 E36 M3 engine in E30...difficult?

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=cc44b10ffe670c6e87c97d0e0fc7b1d5&threadid=161575

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...hreadid=154981 e30 m50 swap

Good luck with the swap!

[Jordan]

The Zionsville Project ORCA CD is ABSOLUTE SHIT.

The pictures are horrible, and as a resource on the whole its just worthless.

This website has all the major info you need, and its FREE. http://www.akgmotorsport.com/

[bahnfire]

I am doing the s50 swap in the spring, you will definetly need zionsvilleautosport.com CD!It has a lot of usefull info about teh swap as well as the list of parts that you will need

LIES

Sure it is helpful and a great resource for some (http://www.e30m50.com recommends it) but many people do not find it necessary.

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Rede30, Welcome to R3V! :D

Not to talk down to the noob, but this topic has been beaten to death. The search tool is sometimes difficult to bring up good results, so I'll help you out:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=224 M50 swap

http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=892 Stroker kit or e36 swap?
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=874 Question for M50/S50 Swappers
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=631 s52 swap quesetions,
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=411 m50 swap: Vanos vs. Non-V?
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=274 resurrecting the turbo M50 thread (pic request)
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=275 any one with the M50 conversion

and that's just some of the threads about M50/S50 swaps on this forum. Amazing, isn't it? :P

Anyway, here are a couple good sites to look at:

http://www.lukasbmw.com he's done it, and he even has the cost of all parts. All the tips, pros and cons. Look in modification articles -> M50 swap.
http://www.e30m50.com is a great source, and it follows one boys progress on doing the swap himself

Pete McHenry
Precision Performance
Winston-Salem, NC
910-761-0643

My dads # is (336) 761-0643.

The Zionsville CD is a generic swap kit. It is a "universal" kit for all E30's, and there are a lot of factors that need considering in different model E30's that arn't covered in the swap CD. Examples: wiring info is different on almost every E30; 84-85 318, 84 325e, 85-87 325e, 88 325e, 87 325i, 88-91 325i, '91 318is.

The M50 swap is the same as the S50, as the engine externally are the same. So the process will be the same, the results......very different,

Stu's father is one of the premier BMW engine rebuilders in the nation. He pioneered the swap. He can be very helpful, to say the least. He put an OBD-1 3.2L S50 in Stu's 318is. 8)

Lukas is a member he and has a M50 swap.
Trent is a mod here and has a M50 with M3 cams.
Ryan Stewart is looking at a S50 swap as well.

Here is a BF.c thread about the swap. BF.c is a good forum, but not nearly as technically knowledgable on the whole as R3V:
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...hreadid=161314 E36 M3 engine in E30...difficult?

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=cc44b10ffe670c6e87c97d0e0fc7b1d5&threadid=161575

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...hreadid=154981 e30 m50 swap

Good luck with the swap!

GOOD LORD thats alot of good info. Nice work, this should be stickied or something.

[AndreNY]

is there are a site or link on a wring diagram or pics for a wiring harness and all other electrical stuff.

thanks

[rwh11385]

bahnfire, thanks, that's just some of what I found, primarily in the technical section. I also know some of these resources from months of research of the M50 swap. I wanted to do it, but decided to not spend every dime on the engine, but spend on suspension, comestics, and driving school.

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is there are a site or link on a wring diagram or pics for a wiring harness and all other electrical stuff.

thanks

Andre, here is a wiring pin 2 pin chart on the site Jordan linked to. 8) That site is very good for people interested in the swap. http://www.akgmotorsport.com/usm50swap.html
http://www.akgmotorsport.com/e30convpins.html = the pin chart.

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http://www.theeurodepot.com/e30m50.html - -e30 M50/S50/S52 Conversion Information: Declassified Officially gone are the days of overpriced information regarding this swap!!!This page has just been started and not yet completed. But it covers engine, radiator, and transmission.

http://www.terrysaytherauto.com/M50conversions.htm - M50 engines into E30 chassis WOW! - - Terry's BMW shop's ad for M50 swaps.....with prices ($3000 labor)
http://www.terrysaytherauto.com/E30-S52Conversion.htm - Not Enough Power- E30 S52 Conversion - - An article on putting the S52 in the E30 M3

http://www.lukasbmw.com/m50_swap_advice.htm direct link to Luka's M50 page

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/index.asp A great place to find engines and other parts, look in their free classifieds. Also, someone on this forum with an OBD-I S52 in his M3 says that Turner's people were very helpful in helping him through the swap.

The Zionsville Autosport CD may not be worth getting, but taking at look at their E30 Twin Cam conversion parts packages are!

http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/store/shop.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=6134&Category_Code=ETCK

http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/s...gory_Code=TCEM - Engine Mounting parts kit.
These kits are made to sell at outrageous prices. No one should pay $3,300 for an M50! Add $3200 for the S52 from them! But their package can help to show what parts are needed.

Altavista time! Use babelfish translation to read the German
http://www.e30.de has a walkthrough of the E30 24V swap, as well as the M30.

http://www.e30.de/m50.htm

Finally, rede30, http://www.baye30.net/ is important for you. R3V is a great forum, but BayE30 will offer you more regional and local help. You could find the ideal shop to advise you or local salvage yard, etc.

[rwh11385]

Engine swap cost and feasiblity

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143878

Rebuild the M42 or throw in an M/S50.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162810&highlight=m50

e30 m50 swap

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154981&highlight=m50

E36 Engine Swaps...How do they handle??

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143111&highlight=m50

finally ran the e30 s50 turbo in the 1/4

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=137019&highlight=m50

- Revo86 , 400hp motor and 225's in the rear, 12.8@112, stock compression, 6psi, smt-6

what is needed, e36 2.5 engine into e30

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131276&highlight=m50

Parts list for M50 swap?

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121657&highlight=m50

- - chuck90m3 likes to help everyone with info about the swap

[rede30]

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[boricuabimma']

.:D

[Beej '86 325es]

Andre, here is a wiring pin 2 pin chart on the site Jordan linked to. 8) That site is very good for people interested in the swap. http://www.akgmotorsport.com/usm50swap.html
http://www.akgmotorsport.com/e30convpins.html = the pin chart.

Wow, I was just checking out that pin chart. Are the OBC and check panel completely useless when doing this swap? That would really suck, I use them ALL THE TIME.