What ever happened to freedom?

[Raxe]

Wear a seat belt or don't, I don't care, but if you get into an accident without one you better friggen die because I'm not happy about paying higher insurance premiums and healthcare coverage so your patriotic skull can be dug out of the windshield and pieced back together to make more poor decisions. :hitler:

[JinormusJ]

Oh I agree... Everyone who doesn't wear a seatbelt essentially is asking to die; I just don't think its correct to FORCE someone to wear one.

In Fact, I think the justice and insurance system are very broken in this country, but hey; what do I know.. Instead of proposing new legislation to fix old legislation.. Why dont we just fix the old legislation..? :MINDBLOW:
Say.. if your in an accident without wearing a seatbelt, your instantly at fault for all medical damage. Therefor, its not FORCING you to wear one and imposing a consequence when your not, only imposing a consequence when your idioticy gets you hurt. Insurance doesn't go up for other people this way then because you are not reimbursed for your poor choices; like many people today who pull insurance frauds (I being a victim)

did you hear about the guy that stabbed some other guy to death, sodomized him, then ate him? pretty shitty

What the heck does this have anything to do with the topic at hand..?

[Bearmw]

There will always be a certain percentage of the population that want to "control" things including others behavior. These folks like predictability and apparent safety at a certain level that is greater than others desire for control. I think technology is a double edged sword in that it can allow for those that wish for more social control to implement it; whether through mandating that vehicles have airbags or creating laws that allow the government to control and monitor your internet use. People have always tried to control others behavior whether in the name of "safety" or "freedom", to make money or for some unnamed reason but again technology gains have allowed for greater implementation of control...nothing new here. Orwell wrote about it and he probably wasn't the first. Although I lament our losing some of the freedoms I can recall as a kid I still feel fortunate to live in this country which still has a lot of freedom in relative terms.

[slammin.e28]

Government gathers control through the spread of fear and under the veil that what they do is for the general safety of the population they govern.

[325ix]

I'm just going to leave my little tidbit on here.

I blame seat belts, airbags, and traction control for making terrible drivers. If people had a rational fear of impending death while driving a car there would be a lot less accidents, inattentive drivers, and risk takers on the highways.

That is all.

I am scared to death, and I drive an E39, which is pretty tank like.

[Farbin Kaiber]

You guys hear about the Guv. wanting to put Breathalyzer Interlocks into every car, and require them in all new cars? France has already done so, and it's mandatory by July 1st 2012.

[tonerrrr]

Why isn't this in http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=169? :hitler:

I specifically don't go there so I don't have to read this type of "no freedom anymore" type threads where someone complains about Big Government but doesn't realize the FDA and other entities in the Government are basically doing the same thing you're complaining about.

You complain about an airbag yet don't say anything about something bigger like social security. Same argument.

[z31maniac]

If you your seatbelt works correctly, you don't need an airbag.

If your seatbelt doesn't work correctly, the airbag can kill you.

lollerskates

[regnu]

OP are you the owner of the CTS v wagon in which the airbag went off during your autocross run last weekend?

[s14pwd]

Logically your idea of "freedom" is flawed IMO. Places that have absolute freedom (ie.Somalia) are not stable. You can do what ever you want and no one will stop you. This leads to disorder and violence. Yes I agree that censoring things like the internet is wrong, but this would be a whole other argument and I am gonna stop there.

Laws, in essence restrict freedom. They tell you what you can and cannot do, so imposing any law is losing freedom. Yes, for you the airbag law is inconvenient, but you are only 1 in 10000 (I made that statistic up, but you get the point), however for the other 9999 people having airbags is beneficial, so which should society choose? Obviously that which benefits a greater number of people.

So the point is no law will ever satisfy everyone, but the objective is to benefit as many people as possible and be universal.

[Mark 42]

Wear a seat belt or don't, I don't care, but if you get into an accident without one you better friggen die because I'm not happy about paying higher insurance premiums and healthcare coverage so your patriotic skull can be dug out of the windshield and pieced back together to make more poor decisions. :hitler:

But you're okay with paying for the quadriplegic whose life was saved by a seatbelt and now cost a lot more than if he hadn't worn it and died?

OP are you the owner of the CTS v wagon in which the airbag went off during your autocross run last weekend?

No, the only BMW I have is a 1991 318i.

Logically your idea of "freedom" is flawed IMO. Places that have absolute freedom (ie.Somalia) are not stable. for (the other 9999) people having airbags is beneficial, so which should society choose? Obviously that which benefits a greater number of people.
So the point is no law will ever satisfy everyone, but the objective is to benefit as many people as possible and be universal.

That's a strawman argument.
There is a difference between protecting people from others and protecting them from themselves.
In some cases, it probably is worth protecting people from themselves, but the pendulum has swung way too far in that direction.

Why isn't this in http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=169?
I specifically don't go there so I don't have to read this type of "no freedom anymore" type threads

So you couldn't resist this thread? The title should have told you it was one you don't want to read.
You're asking us to protect you from yourself?:nice::jk:
I would have put it in another topic area if I'd known there was a more appropriate one. Sorry.

[redsubdivisions]

Here's an idea:

Make every car manual transmission, no traction control, and if you truly want...no...NEED to drive, then you can learn. Do you know how many less idiots there would be on the road? Insurance premiums would plummet. It is already way too easy to drive a car as it is: you get in, turn a key, put it into D, and away you go.

[e30BMart]

I agree with making your own choices and all.. But i'm gonna be the first to say that we are the first to complain about whatever the fuck we can...

I don't mean to be like the guy in the comment section of a lamborghini video that says: "and people in africa are starving" (i mean stfu)...

But we make a big deal out of stuff that really, when you think about it, aren't That big of a deal... We can blow things completely out of proportions and say that in 20 years computers will be the only thing allowed to drive our cars, but realistically we all know that's bullcrap and we are all just over reacting.

[kway]

Thanks for the heads up OP, I hadn't heard of these so-called "airbags".

[e30jake]

Here's an idea:

Make every car manual transmission, no traction control, and if you truly want...no...NEED to drive, then you can learn. Do you know how many less idiots there would be on the road? Insurance premiums would plummet. It is already way too easy to drive a car as it is: you get in, turn a key, put it into D, and away you go.

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