E30 vs E28 M5

[TrentW]

Actually, in the video he states that you've got to get the revs up before torque is felt though. Which is what I've read elsewhere also.

[bmwstephen]

id be all over e28's if it weren't for the pain in the ass euro bumper conversions

[mikeedler]

Actually, in the video he states that you've got to get the revs up before torque is felt though. Which is what I've read elsewhere also.

I feel that ALL of the S motors from BMW need to have the RPMs over 4000 to really do anything, but when they are up there, they pull through every gear to redline like crazy.

[Eric]

pros: do you like torque?
cons: rebuild cost for s38.

The S38B35 doesn't have much torque, you have to rev it like the S14. The S38B38 has lots of torque though.

I own both, and the M5 is much more expensive to operate day to day.

My E28 M5 is in GREAT condition and it still costs a bunch to keep it going, I couldn't imagine owning a $4k scrapper. The E30 M3 guys have a saying a few years ago about the "15k rule." Basically, if you buy a E30 M3 for 15k, you probably won't have to do much to it. If you buy one for $5k, then your going to dump 10k into it. I think the E28 M5 falls into that same rule pretty easily.

Finally, this is just my opinion, but the E28 M5 looks lame with US bumpers.

[GDA]

E30 M3, E28 and E34 M5s are all 15 to 20k cars, if you want them to look and drive like the buys in Garching intended.

Fully agree with Eric

[Massimo]

Err if you don't take them how much for shipping to

5093 south australia?

last E28 m5 forsale here was like 40k

[Eric]

last E28 m5 forsale here was like 40k

RORO shipping should be $2-3k usd.

[slammin.e28]

E30 M3, E28 and E34 M5s are all 15 to 20k cars, if you want them to look and drive like the buys in Garching intended.

Fully agree with Eric

Old Ms are $20k cars. All of them, no matter buying price. Similar to Porsches. Even if you get a screaming deal, you're going to put a shit ton into it. I would rather buy a basket case for $4k and restore it myself. Dealioes can be had, and outright buying a $17,000 M5 isn't the way to get a screaming dealio, IMO.

[Bimmerman325i]

Unless the S38 accidentally itself. Then they're $40k cars.

[e30jake]

I emailed the owner of the salvaged one yesterday and havent heard back from him. If I dont hear anything by tonight I may send another one.

As far as each one being a 15-20k car, I have gotten used to driving cars with quirks or with missing parts of interiors, so I dont need it to be absolutely perfect to start with. My standards are pretty damn low. As long as I could still drive it to move it to fix things I would be fine. Im actually looking more that the 3k one that doesnt run. The owner basically stopped trying to sell it for now and isnt expecting anyone besides me to be interested. Which brings us to the question of the S38... IF god forbid it should need a rebuild, how much am I looking at in reality? I would do pretty much everything other than machining myself to keep labor costs down. Would it even be worth it though?

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[Stanley Rockafella]

Old Ms are $20k cars. All of them, no matter buying price. Similar to Porsches. Even if you get a screaming deal, you're going to put a shit ton into it. I would rather buy a basket case for $4k and restore it myself. Dealioes can be had, and outright buying a $17,000 M5 isn't the way to get a screaming dealio, IMO.

I dont' totally agree. If you can do all the work yourself and all you pay for is parts, then sure, it's a much better deal doing the work yourself.

Recently I was looking into doing an S motor swap into my e30. After much deliberation I realized its far too pricey of an endeavour considering most of the work I'd have to pay someone else to do. So I scrapped the idea and decided I'll just work towards getting a faster, newer car, OR buying a swapped e30 for about 10 g's that's already had all the work done to it.

[slammin.e28]

I dont' totally agree. If you can do all the work yourself and all you pay for is parts, then sure, it's a much better deal doing the work yourself.

Recently I was looking into doing an S motor swap into my e30. After much deliberation I realized its far too pricey of an endeavour considering most of the work I'd have to pay someone else to do. So I scrapped the idea and decided I'll just work towards getting a faster, newer car, OR buying a swapped e30 for about 10 g's that's already had all the work done to it.

Working in the auto industry, I assume people are going to have work done. It's appalling the amount of money people spend in just labor to do stupid little things to their cars. Then they waste no time in complaining about the cost.

[Stanley Rockafella]

Working in the auto industry, I assume people are going to have work done. It's appalling the amount of money people spend in just labor to do stupid little things to their cars. Then they waste no time in complaining about the cost.

See, that's not me. Honestly I'd have the work done, but I really can't stand to see shitty work that I could have done better(having a previous auto industry exp.). I'm just in a position in my life that I dont' have time nor access to do my own work :(

[Eric]

IF god forbid it should need a rebuild, how much am I looking at in reality? I would do pretty much everything other than machining myself to keep labor costs down. Would it even be worth it though?

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S38 rebuild with you doing a majority pf the work, i would etimate it at $10k.

if it just stopped working, it could be cracks in the ECU solder joints...easy fix.

[Kovs]

Old Ms are $20k cars. All of them, no matter buying price. Similar to Porsches. Even if you get a screaming deal, you're going to put a shit ton into it. I would rather buy a basket case for $4k and restore it myself. Dealioes can be had, and outright buying a $17,000 M5 isn't the way to get a screaming dealio, IMO.

I disagree. E28 M5s - minus the engine and tranny - are basically E28s right down to the body panels and bumpers. Yes, the leather interior bits are rare and pricey, but if you're just looking for a DD, who cares!

Now back to that engine... I've owned several E28 M5s, and the S38 starts first time, every time, in all kinds of weather and is probably the least tempermental motor I've owned, M20s / M30s not withstanding. Unless you like to cold start and shut it off right away, in which case you'll be replacing spark plugs. Maintenance is not anything out of the ordinary beyond replacing timing chain and guides, which is a 10 year / 125K mile occurance. Adjusting the valves requires shims, but it is not impossible to do (if it were a Cosworth benz, you would have to remove the cams). And if you're considering tracking it, maybe the Fahey crank hub is good insurance although I've personally never seen a stock crank hub fail and I enjoy DRIVING my cars.

Everything else is run-of-the-mill E28 parts bin stuff and is not expensive. Also, E28 build quality and durability is nothing short of miraculous. BMW is HAPPY they are NOT building cars like this anymore - they are loss leaders for new car sales and the service department.

Unless you are looking to make this a show queen, I would say you could daily drive a E28 M5 for well under $20K.